If I don’t clickbait the title people don’t click.

With the recent events happening in Gaza, I decided to first tackle this line of argument in my essay Zionism is antisemitism, and Palestine.

People were quick to say “yes Israel is bad, but Hamas…” (kidnapped 200 people, killed 1000, take your pick).

When you’re saying this, you’re actually saying that one israeli is worth 7 Palestinians. Read that again if you need to; it’s an ethnosupremacist position.

What is the logical conclusion of this argument? What is it supposed to achieve except convey empty platitudes and declaring to the world that you just don’t care enough to have any valuable input?

It’s fine not to care. I’m not your dad, I’m not going to try and change you.

But don’t declare it publicly. Don’t proudly say “well actually both sides are bad”. You don’t look smarter or wiser than anyone else who is taking a clear stance. You’re not taking the “middle ground”. Everyone who has taken sides and is trying to be productive about this (and not just the Gaza genocide, but really any situation where you can apply “both sides”) really doesn’t have time for this holier-than-thou bullshit.

Gaza “kidnapped” 200 settlers and that’s a war crime apparently. It’s not really, but whatever. Let’s say it is. Israel has killed 7000+ Palestinians in retaliation, now likely more than 10k as they cut off communications in Gaza last night.

Both sidesers: what’s your solution to this. If you say anything other than “I should not get involved” then you don’t actually believe both sides are bad and you are picking a side. It’s time you realize where you stand.

  • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
    512·
    8 months ago

    Hamas and eyewitnesses say they were careful to avoid civilians

    Source? There’s been plenty of evidence to the contrary, including videos directly from the attackers. Hell, they shot up a music festival.

    what do you mean “in the villages they lived in”?

    I mean to navigate around the traps you’re so keen to land me in.

      • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
        25·
        8 months ago

        That’s good to see. I’m still not convinced that the entire force that invaded were so restrained, and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. I think any claim that they were all devout Muslims who wouldn’t hurt women and children is just as flawed as the claim that they were all inhuman monsters.

        Your eyewitness video itself confirms that people lived there. I was careful not to call it “their” village, but as far as I’m aware the Kibbutzes were newly created settlements on previously uninhabitable land, in contrast to the West Bank where Israelis took over Palestinian homes after making them refugees.

          • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
            37·
            8 months ago

            I really don’t want to go digging through videos of killing, sorry. However I think most anything involving the music festival would show indiscriminate killing.

            • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.mlOP
              12·
              8 months ago

              the festival was held at a military base. There was a tank present from the start. Ergo legitimate military target.

              Cops also hid between the crowd of fleeing festival goers, using them as human shields.

              • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                14·
                8 months ago

                Source for the military base? None of the footage or reporting shows anything like a military base there

                • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.mlOP
                  6·
                  8 months ago

                  I don’t want to go digging through videos of killing, sorry.

                  Nah I’m joking, skip to 2:35 https://twitter.com/prolewiki/status/1712098209361694950: Merkava tank (how did it get here so fast?) and police firing from the fleeing crowd.

                  Also generally they were having a rave 2km away from Gaza lol, what did they expect they were raving for? Is there not enough space in the rest of occupied Palestine to hold a rave?