I would fire back at you and say that I do not count among friends, anybody who thinks in an antivax mindset.
But that doesn’t mean I haven’t met them every single day for years.
I’ve had Uber drivers tell me there are microchips in vaccines.
Literally last week a thrift store worker was making snide comments to myself and other customers, suggesting we should have masks because she has an autoimmune disorder. She was not wearing a mask. I tried to explain to her that’s not how any of it works, and she said oh yes, I’ve read about it. I ended the conversation abruptly when I said that I almost married a doctor and you might want to actually go speak to one yourself.
Anecdotally, I know many people who are anti-vax (mostly family). When I went to college, I found out my parents didn’t get me a lot of the vaccines I was supposed to have, so had to get a bunch of vaccines before starting.
Sacrificing the “freedom” (as some like to call it, I say selfishness) to not get a little boo boo from a needle and having the sniffles for 6 hours keeps everyone in society safe from horrible fucked up diseases, including those who legit can’t get vaccines because of weakened or deficient immune systems.
The reason many of these diseases seem like a myth or “just the flu bro” to antivax morons is because of herd immunity and society spending decades eradicating these diseases so no one has to experience them.
The vaccines are not going to harm the vast majority of people, and will instead help millions have increased quality of life. There is no reason for them to not be mandatory.
Also you seem touchy and kind of illogical about this period. “You don’t tell people they have to do something” then you prove that telling people that they had to do it 100% worked.
Almost nothing you wrote is of any relevance. It does seem written derangedly honestly. Your first and second points are identical as just one example.
Ironically though, exactly what you’re saying is the right way to treat vaccines is how they have been treated. Lol
Want to send your kids to school? Vaccinate them. Or home school them, your choice. Kinda funny that you wrote all these paragraphs getting all worked up about this when at the end of it all, the precise thing you seem to want is already a reality. No one was ever forced to be vaccinated unless they made a choice that required it.
You’re working way too hard to defend your “friend’s” weird attitude on vaccines. Just either let it go or acknowledge that there is at least some contradiction of beliefs there.
That’s not what the Streisand effect is and I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You’re just bringing up shit that has no relationship whatsoever with this topic, not even if I choose to try and salvage the botched analogies you’re looking to make.
You sure as hell aren’t gonna convince me that a vague feeling of government bad somehow sensibly overrides a scientific understanding of how vaccines work. Put simply it’s obviously a lack of scientific understanding combined with selfishness. That’s all it ever could be, just like every other libertarian kind of worldview.
Would be best not to continue this exchange. I prefer not to block people.
So, these people are vaccinated, get their kids vaccinated, but don’t want it to be mandatory for other kids parents are too stupid to get them vaccinated and put the life of their own kids in danger. Basically, they are too selfish to care about other kids than their own.
There were four responses here. Your replies to them, especially this one, are an extreme overreaction. What I wrote was “huh seems odd” then you flip out. Your two responses both have the attitude of someone who was attacked mercilessly for expressing something entirely logical. Neither of which are true.
Totally not bitching about hivemind this or that but…
Yes you are:-). And it’s valid, and worse than that, most of Lemmy is an outright echo chamber, where mods often remove viewpoints that contrast with their own. Some corners of Lemmy even seem like outright founts of disinformation.
The left eats its own. Moral purity beatings will continue until morale improves. Meh, it’s social media, which devolves into a race to the lowest common denominator. It is far easier to give easy answers claiming to already be correct than to e.g. admit that we do not know everything (or even something) - far easier to chime in and speak rather than listen first before forming a firm opinion, to many sources and many sides. All I can add here is that (1) beware of unearned knowledge, and (2) those who seek the Truth, REALLY, will manage to find it. Almost certainly not on Lemmy though, for these aforementioned reasons 🤪 - this is “social media”, a place for people to vomit up their emotions among like-minded individuals in order to circle-jerk one another off, but people may want to get their actual “news” elsewhere (sadly, even Reddit does a far better job of this, bc that is where people post primary content and if you want to know something, then you must go to where the content is - the network effect is strong, but real).
America is bad for many legitimate reasons. Yes some people on here are assholes about it but very few of them came to the conclusion that America is shit for the wrong reasons.
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I would fire back at you and say that I do not count among friends, anybody who thinks in an antivax mindset.
But that doesn’t mean I haven’t met them every single day for years.
I’ve had Uber drivers tell me there are microchips in vaccines.
Literally last week a thrift store worker was making snide comments to myself and other customers, suggesting we should have masks because she has an autoimmune disorder. She was not wearing a mask. I tried to explain to her that’s not how any of it works, and she said oh yes, I’ve read about it. I ended the conversation abruptly when I said that I almost married a doctor and you might want to actually go speak to one yourself.
They’re everywhere.
Anecdotally, I know many people who are anti-vax (mostly family). When I went to college, I found out my parents didn’t get me a lot of the vaccines I was supposed to have, so had to get a bunch of vaccines before starting.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
Sacrificing the “freedom” (as some like to call it, I say selfishness) to not get a little boo boo from a needle and having the sniffles for 6 hours keeps everyone in society safe from horrible fucked up diseases, including those who legit can’t get vaccines because of weakened or deficient immune systems.
The reason many of these diseases seem like a myth or “just the flu bro” to antivax morons is because of herd immunity and society spending decades eradicating these diseases so no one has to experience them.
The vaccines are not going to harm the vast majority of people, and will instead help millions have increased quality of life. There is no reason for them to not be mandatory.
That’s definitely a weird point of view imo. Sees the value of vaccines, ignores that they work best with high vaccination rates.
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I just said it’s weird and it certainly is.
Also you seem touchy and kind of illogical about this period. “You don’t tell people they have to do something” then you prove that telling people that they had to do it 100% worked.
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Almost nothing you wrote is of any relevance. It does seem written derangedly honestly. Your first and second points are identical as just one example.
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Ironically though, exactly what you’re saying is the right way to treat vaccines is how they have been treated. Lol
Want to send your kids to school? Vaccinate them. Or home school them, your choice. Kinda funny that you wrote all these paragraphs getting all worked up about this when at the end of it all, the precise thing you seem to want is already a reality. No one was ever forced to be vaccinated unless they made a choice that required it.
You’re working way too hard to defend your “friend’s” weird attitude on vaccines. Just either let it go or acknowledge that there is at least some contradiction of beliefs there.
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That’s not what the Streisand effect is and I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You’re just bringing up shit that has no relationship whatsoever with this topic, not even if I choose to try and salvage the botched analogies you’re looking to make.
You sure as hell aren’t gonna convince me that a vague feeling of government bad somehow sensibly overrides a scientific understanding of how vaccines work. Put simply it’s obviously a lack of scientific understanding combined with selfishness. That’s all it ever could be, just like every other libertarian kind of worldview.
Would be best not to continue this exchange. I prefer not to block people.
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So, these people are vaccinated, get their kids vaccinated, but don’t want it to be mandatory for other kids parents are too stupid to get them vaccinated and put the life of their own kids in danger. Basically, they are too selfish to care about other kids than their own.
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I’ll ride the ship down with you…
Lemmy likes to be an echo chamber for “America Bad”.
I don’t know a single person that actually is anti-vax, I know some who think you should be allowed to choose (aka freedom).
But that would require nuance, and the average lemming chooses not to have that.
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There were four responses here. Your replies to them, especially this one, are an extreme overreaction. What I wrote was “huh seems odd” then you flip out. Your two responses both have the attitude of someone who was attacked mercilessly for expressing something entirely logical. Neither of which are true.
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Absolutely deranged. No way I’m reading that wacked out shit.
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Lol yes the length is the issue
Yes you are:-). And it’s valid, and worse than that, most of Lemmy is an outright echo chamber, where mods often remove viewpoints that contrast with their own. Some corners of Lemmy even seem like outright founts of disinformation.
The left eats its own. Moral purity beatings will continue until morale improves. Meh, it’s social media, which devolves into a race to the lowest common denominator. It is far easier to give easy answers claiming to already be correct than to e.g. admit that we do not know everything (or even something) - far easier to chime in and speak rather than listen first before forming a firm opinion, to many sources and many sides. All I can add here is that (1) beware of unearned knowledge, and (2) those who seek the Truth, REALLY, will manage to find it. Almost certainly not on Lemmy though, for these aforementioned reasons 🤪 - this is “social media”, a place for people to vomit up their emotions among like-minded individuals in order to circle-jerk one another off, but people may want to get their actual “news” elsewhere (sadly, even Reddit does a far better job of this, bc that is where people post primary content and if you want to know something, then you must go to where the content is - the network effect is strong, but real).
America is bad for many legitimate reasons. Yes some people on here are assholes about it but very few of them came to the conclusion that America is shit for the wrong reasons.