• jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    2 months ago

    They colonized the rest of the world. I don’t think there’s any way to look at modern Europeans and say they arent “indigenous” in the sense of being fundamentally from and of that landmass.

    • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      I haven’t watched the video yet but by the thumbnail and description I’m going to guess it’s about the civilizations which existed in Europe before ~5000BCE and were displaced/killed/integrated by the Indo-European migrations. There’s almost certainly a better term for those people than ‘indigenous Europeans’

      • Moidialectica [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        if any remain, they’d be Celts no? Maybe the Basque? But even then, I’m using language groups to decide, I guess there would be no indigenous European left, besides, Europeans as we know have been here for far too long to not be known as indigenous.

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          celtic languages are indoeuropean. but dna studies show that pre-indoeuropean incursion people did survive to various extents. and eg, some places never got any incursions, IIRC sardinia still has the old mixture. which itself was already a mixture.

          as i understand it, europe had a western european hunter gatherer group and an eastern european hunter gatherher group, and then anatolian farmers came up the balkans and the genes got mixed, and then iranian farmers came up the caucasus and mixed with the eastern hunter gatherers, and then possibly a lot of other mixing happened and then the indo-europeans (iranian farmer people/cultures mixed with eastern european hunter gatherers) rode in from the east and fundamentally changed the genetics, but it didnt erase the old mixtures, it just got mixed on top of them.

          and then further people from the east kept coming in and settling, like hungarians and cumans and whatever.

          so i yeah, europe’s people are indigenous i guess, because it all happened so long ago and nobody’s being presecuted for this shit anymore. we’ve got better things to do now, like hating the roma. (who are at this point as indigenous as anyone but we sure as fuck treat them like americans treat their indigenous people…)

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I’m going to guess this is more about cultural and ethnic groups getting erased over time in Europe. It’s still possible to do even without a colonizer coming in from “abroad”, like the Ainu people in Hokkaido or Sami people in the Nordic countries.