There’s nothing funnier and more delusional than a European neocon

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      I actually saw this on Reddit a couple days ago and the original post WAS ai lol. I doubt if I can find it but if I can I’ll report back with a screenshot.

      Edit: only so much digging through EU subreddits I can take, guess you’ll just have to take my word for it

  • I think Europe is more mentally fucked than the US ngl.

    American polls at least show people are blaming everything on trump and they hate him.

    Europeans are blaming everything on America and they legit think that if they stop being American vassals they’ll be able to compete against China and the US

    It’s literally mass psychosis

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      What gets me is that the worse Europe’s situation becomes, the more arrogant EU liberals act.

      You’d think that becoming vassalized by the country you believed to be your undying ally just last year, having a stagnating economy, being outsmarted by all your geopolitical enemies, having no viable military force to speak of and turning into a literal joke on the world stage would have a humbling effect. But no, EU-stanning liberals, as well as the English, are just ignorant to all these realities.

      Europe’s fate is already sealed, their decline into complete irrelevance is inevitable. And a significant part of this is their refusal to acknowledge their true situation.

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      yet they overwhelmingly support militarization (buying American weapons) and NATO (supporting American imperialism). So turns out they don’t really oppose America in any way and will never actually escape their vassaldom

      • The European populace and bourgeois have completely different opinions

        The population here is angry at trump so the politicians will say stuff about how they’re Europe first and slava Ukraine and then do nothing about it

        The politicians after doing that procede to bend over, and lube their assholes for doggy style with trump

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          But my point is all the slava ukraine shit is pro-American and doing exactly what America wants. Europeans think they are being rebellious against daddy but they are just falling for his reverse psychology and doing what he wants.

          If you look at polls of the European populace, not it’s leaders, you still see alarmingly high trends in warmongering. The people of Europe demand blood and are chauvinists overall, not just their leaders

          They have somehow psyched themselves out where they think being super pro-NATO is sticking it to the USA, when NATO is the USA. They are delusional

          • I don’t disagree with you that they’re being stupid and doing what America wants.

            But I live in Ireland

            So many people here are super pro NATO and the war in Ukraine

            They legitimately believe trump is gonna hand over Ukraine and that then the EU and Canada will fight Russia

            It’s literally marvel movie mentality

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      It’s the inherent contradictions of Nationalism, which is the result of unwillingness to socialize.

      Just within the EU itself there’s 24 individual, capitalist, nations. That is just never going to work. Think of all the contradictions that arise from 24 individual capitalist nations each competing with each other. Lithuania is having a panic attack just thinking about how to force people to use their language, because it’s materially completely worthless.

      What can they do? Nothing. Nobody cares about them and why would they? That’s something dirty socialists do and Lithuania, including a lot of Lithuanians thinks that’s fascism. They can’t deny entry to migrant, they can’t force their population to stay at home, the cat is already out of the bag you can’t put the cat back in, they will never have the military might to defend their sovereignty and even if they forge temporary alliances with their neighbors against a common enemy, you can bet 100% that after the war whoever has the biggest military/economy left will take control of the territory the moment that is more profitable than peace, there’s nothing they can do and that applies to most nations in Europe to a greater and lesser extent.

      I really don’t like to be pessimistic, but that’s just the reality.

      • In ireland liberals here are obsessed with doing nothing to keep the language alive (so are the so called “Irish nationalist socialists” tbh)

        But it’s over

        Nothing can be done

        They don’t realize we live in an international world with large scale immigration being common

        You cannot force people to stay in one tiny fucking country and speak a tiny minority language,

        The minority languages are doomed to die by the world becoming ever more interconnected.

        The thing is, materially, these small European states shouldn’t exist, the world is very clearly moving towards larger more organized states.

        The only way the EU could work in the future is if it federalized under socialism but it can’t because nationalism is too rampant

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          They could have preserved their cultures and the cultures of others, let them evolve as time goes, but they are unable to accept peaceful coexistence.

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      Part of the rethoric of european unification is that European countries are too small in today’s world to go it alone. They have to band together as a block, which is a logic that predates both the Ukraine War and that one time in 2008 when systemic US fraud destroyed Europe’s economy. It originated in a time of optimism, before the US encircled a divided Europe via wars in the middle east and such while hollowing it out. Nowadays the rethoric is used as a coping mechanism for european liberals and atlanticists. It is a desperate move against the reactionary nativism that would see the EU dismantled rather than held accountable to a democratic system.

      Looking at the history of european nation states and how every institution arose due to the threat real or imagined of neighborly armies and industry, I don’t think that’s an unworkable slogan.

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      They literally think China is secretly trying to take over Europe or some shit, when asked for proof someone in that thread started babbling about a report by a state department funded think tank that claimed (without evidence) that China has 350 social media profiles spreading “pro-China propaganda” which apparently is all that’s required to take over a shithole like Europe lmao

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      The EU is already quite united in terms of markets, military and surveillance (under the American umbrella but still).

      But many European nationalists* are not satisfied with the current arrangement because individual European governments have too much sovereignty and often resist the EU-technocratic agenda (usually for reactionary reasons).

      Another thing is that combining Europe would allow for more free movement of labor through the union. This would have exactly the expected effects**. Hollowing out of the periphery. Falling wages in the core. More profits for industrial capital (idk the effects on finance capital, but I presume they would find a way to benefit if such a thing happened).

      *these people function as nationalists because they think Europe forms a nation (or at least, has the potential to become one). They are not wrong even in the marxist sense since combined markets and centralised political control is what converted clans/fiefs/city states and so on into nation-states.

      **at a greater intensity than what is already happening

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    Oh I would love to put Poland, Croatia, Hungary and other periphery countries above and on the bottom to showcase that yeah, the EU is just Germany and Benelux in a trench coat lol