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He somehow seems to think, still, that he can shape the Democrats. “If I thought there was a viable 3rd party do you think I would be voting for them? Fuck no” he says, after scolding someone in his chat, calling them an ultra, for calling him out for his continued connection to the democrats.

But lets think about this for a second…
how the fuck
do you build
a fucking party
do you do it by voting for, another party
do you do it by telling people to vote for another party
or do you do it by building A FUCKING WORKING CLASS PARTY
LIKE FUCKING LENIN SAID

lenin-rage

I don’t really understand what Hasan thinks these Democrats are supposed to “DO” in this situation. “They’re not DOING it!” he yells. What is “IT”? Go against their class interests, defy the fundamental laws of capital and somehow break free of their social relations through pure force of will? His proximity to the Democratic Party is what breeds this weird fucking obsession he has.

“These guys are mad because they talk to ME and not their Pedo sex cult leader, that’s why they’re mad”. What if they didn’t talk to you, though? What if tomorrow they just stopped talking to you at all? What if the only reason they talk to you AT ALL is that they know that you have a huge fucking audience, and you are actually effective at moving people to the left? So instead, they give you cookies and treats, they give you access and interviews, they let you into the DNC, they give you access to candidates, like Zoran.

I really do think at this point, that he is being catfished by the Democratic Party. That they understand that he is an effective communicator, and they have somehow convinced him that if he just keeps at it, he can one day kick that football for real.

football-lucy                                                                                   football-charlie-brown

            • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
              52·
              1 month ago

              I know, the link to the video is dead for me, and regardless claiming Vaush and Hasan are remotely equivalent is unhinged nonsense on its face

                • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  92·
                  1 month ago

                  Gave it three minutes before I turned that ultra drivel off

                  Same tried argument “Hasan is leading people to the Democratic Party” completely ignoring the fact that he isn’t, he’s advising people to create an oppositional force within the Democratic Party, an insurgent force capable of challenging the neoliberals of the party leading to an anti-chilling effect and material advances that can lead to the development of a workers politics in the first place

                  Hasan does not claim the democrats are a workers party or that joining them makes you a socialist, he unlike the ultras simply acknowledges the prevailing political condition of this country is the two party system and the ultra cry for third partyism has FAILED after sixty plus years of trying

                  So in an admirable adaptation of the leninist strategy where the creation of a workers party is blocked, the strategy of inter-party insurgency takes its place until conditions arise that make a third party workers party viable

                  • drinkinglakewater [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    81·
                    1 month ago

                    Hasan isn’t leading people to the Democratic Party

                    Hasan is advising people to create a force inside the Democratic Party

                    I think S4A is extremely uncharitable to Hasan when he does these commentaries but I think you’ve kinda proved the point. The role of a communist is to build a working class party and the Democratic Party is not a working class party as you acknowledge. If you reify only a two party system works because past bourgeois “third partyism” movements have failed you’ve undercut the possibility for any sort of socialist/communist party to make use of bourgeois political institutions in the way Lenin is describing and Hasan is misinterpreting in the clip. You can look at the DSA as a prime example, they have members run as Democrats but ultimately have no mechanisms to hold them accountable when they deviate from the DSA line because the DSA is not a party. Hasan has done good work getting people moving people towards working class organizing but he sees the progressives in Democrats as a vehicle for short term gains for the working class, so it’s worth stumping for a Zohran or AOC.