• ganryuu@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    False equivalency. Also waiting on your criteria for a reproduction permit.

    Again, eugenics is fascist.

    Also, even with the best effort to restrict reproduction in a “good” way, the instant your administration changes, those restrictions will change too. Do you want the Trump admin to choose who can reproduce?

    Education is the answer. Always has been, always will be.

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      3 days ago

      the instant your administration changes, those restrictions will change too.

      This applies to a lot of things. It’s a reason why you don’t want too much infrastructure in place that can be used for oppression, even if such infrastructure is put into place by a benevolent administration.

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        3 days ago

        Yes, and in the case of restrictions on reproduction, I do not see any way to implement that without having that gigantic oppressive infrastructure.

        Also, “benevolent” eugenics is still eugenics, still fascist.

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          3 days ago

          Getting to “fascist” seems to be your only endgame here. It’s a label. Paved roads and running water are “fascist”.

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            3 days ago

            Please explain to me how you would go about selecting who can reproduce and who can’t then. I’ve asked this question multiple times and so far none of you “eugenics are good when it favors me” seem to want to answer it.

            Eugenics is about purity of your population. That is a textbook component of fascism, whether you like it or not.

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        3 days ago

        All of the “problems” they’re pointing out against letting stupid/evil people have a dozen kids are problems that still exist without such a restriction. Inability to isolate variables and saying we shouldn’t do anything because “the system is imperfect” defines conservatism.

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          3 days ago

          If you bothered to read the whole thread, I do propose a solution. Education.

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              2 days ago

              Unfortunately true, I agree. There would be an enormous amount of work to be done, starting with replacing that admin, and it would take time and effort. Still, I don’t see a way, even with all the benevolence in the world, to restrict reproduction in a positive way. Also, I honestly believe that it would end up having a similar effect to banning alcohol for example: people wouldn’t stop reproducing, they would hide it, which in turn means no access to healthcare or education for those children, as they would have to be hidden from the government, thus complicating things even further.