• Tja@programming.dev
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    2 days ago

    Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.

    Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.

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      20 hours ago

      Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately

      Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far

      Could you provide us what numeric estimates you’re using for both conflicts?

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      Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.

      Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya’s pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the “justification” for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

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        and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

        No it fucking didn’t.

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          19 hours ago

          You can just look up the numbers. This isn’t some secret knowledge. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine.

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        The estimates I’ve seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There’s more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties…

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          Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.

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          Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.

          And I think in this situation we’d only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.

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      Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.

      Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?