• PKMKII [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    The part that bothers me here is their inability to connect the dots that if the CIA is stoking dissent in these countries, that means the groups and figures the CIA is using in said countries aren’t freedom fighters, they’re imperialist patsies. But no, they can’t get over the plucky rebels narrative they’ve been sold.

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        I don’t know how you do it. You always have the perfect Simpsons scene for every possible situation, edited just right for the given context without detracting from or breaking the flow of the original joke. Sometimes I question if you even edited it until I remember the original scene because they always feel like perfectly plausible Simpsons dialogue. You do good work, comrade, I always need the laugh when things otherwise seem so bleak.

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          Thank you, that means a lot to me

          It probably helps that I’ve seen the show so much as to basically have it memorized

          Frinkiac also helps if I have a rough time remembering the exact gag

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      Liberals will gladly condemn plucky rebels if they are told they are bad guys using the bad guys lexicon. They were told to for literally every socialist revolution and continue to do so against every nation, no matter how small, that refuses to continue the complete imperialist domination of their country.

      Propaganda is a battle and our capacity is in getting people to sit down and actually work through these things in a longer format, with very patient people helping them understand, and targeting those easiest to educate first.

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    Hahaha they’ve also been crying about optics whenever a ukrainian solfier got photographed with nazi insignia. “Noooo that just plys into the russian propaganda!!”.

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      “Listen, we are doing the thing, we publish proof that we are doing it, and we are proud of it, but if you say that we are doing it you are an insane, kooky conspiracy nut with zero credibly that believes X-files is a documentary.”

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        Reminds me of what I say when people ask if I believe in conspiracy theories: are you talking about psychic lizards in the Hollow Earth, or stuff the CIA straight-up admitted?

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      Basically Obama changing his mind on revealing US military torture of hostages because it would endanger the troops; you can’t let the victims/people being invaded in on what’s happening or they might wise up

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    Even if I was a big fan and trusted the CIA and other alphabet agencies I don’t think I’d be trusting the version being helmed by whatever cronies haven’t bailed

    Like it’s such a huge turn to make in your head to read headline after headline of all the old barnacles retiring because of Trump’s antics and to just assume that what - good people filled those vacuums? The CIA is still good now that all the ones that found Trump odious have bailed? What?

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        We’re going live to “the actor who played Jim on The Office,” he says that even though the entire upper echelon is made out of kids too racist to vibe-code for Doge, the rank-and-file officers of the CIA are stalwart patriots that keep us safe

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            Fun fact, mormons working for the CIA are given a special… I forget the internal name for it, so lets call it… indulgence. They’re allowed to break whatever doctrine they deem fit, no spiritual or organizational consequences, on account of they’re doing our Heavenly Father’s work on earth don’t you know.

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                True on the United States… but capitalism? The church doesn’t have too firm a stance on economic systems. That kind of thing usually gets thrown under “worldly matters”. There’s some historical experiments with church-led socialism, which get talked about as a failure because it was “too soon and people weren’t/aren’t ready for it”.

                And in the 20th century, Utah actually had quite a lot of social safety-nets and structures for aid, mostly organized through the Relief Society. But… key word there is “had”. The Relief Society is not the organization it once was. Market forces corrode all things and now, functionally, the church acts more as a tax-free hedge fund more than anything. But that’s not given much ideological emphasis. It’s not given much emphasis at all, really.

                What really squares the circle here is “personal revelation”. Members are encouraged to pray on things and follow their instincts, because that’s God letting you know what you should do. Effectively: believe what you like so long as it doesn’t directly contradict church teachings. So the sort of member that would choose a CIA career is also the sort of member who thinks God acts through the market and prosperity is a sign of being right. There’s a lot of membership who think along those lines, but you also get some crunchy hippy-lite mormons who are more interested in food pantries.

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                  the LDS has an investment fund of over $100 billion dollars that they pay zero taxes on. Massive organized churches do alms and charity to help their members, but they are anything but socialist.

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    average americans don’t control the government and have no say in “foreign policy”

    yeah they’re propagandized to all hell and go along with whatever for the most part but they’re also feckless and borderline destitute

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    I really don’t understand this mentality so many people in the west seem to have, even when I was a liberal I don’t think I ever operated from the position of “my side is always 100% good and can do no wrong, and any wrongs they do commit are only bad because they can be used as propaganda against us.”