The American “intelligence community” wants to control the narratives on federated social media, as they already do on corporate social media.

The whole “mis-, dis-, and mal-information” discourse was/is a psyop for top-down propaganda control. The Dem-aligned media did a bang-up job of discrediting Matt Taibbi such that his continued investigatory work into this intentionally opaque system is being ignored.

  • goose [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    56·
    6 months ago

    The full Atlantic Council Fediverse report is especially interesting (and only 12 pages). You can look at it a couple of different ways.

    • Replace all the mentions of Russia/China and disinformation with generic “bad actors” and you get a decent overview of the challenges Fediverse admins face
    • Look at the big “State Assessment” chart and its associated text for an overview of how corporations and states could seek to discredit (or worse) Fediverse instances

    An instance like Hexbear with a stated ideology seems the most resilient to bad actors, imo. If you can just flat-out ban someone for being a wrecker, you’re in a lot better shape than a general-public instance that has to come up with a bunch of general rules and exceptions and then try to figure out the letter+spirit of the rules on the fly

    Also, Lemmy didn’t even make the chart. Wamp waaaammmmmp

    • 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      19·
      6 months ago

      What other lemmy-like platforms are there? I came straight here from Reddit because the people championing it were quite convincing. Also… Is hexbear lemmy or is it more akin to kbin?

      • Raebxeh@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        6 months ago

        Mastodon is federated Twitter. Peertube is federated Youtube. Pixelfed is federated Instagram. Lemmy is federated Reddit. There are dozens of others. Most of them can talk to each other most of the time.

  • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    38·
    6 months ago

    Good post.

    substantial technological, governance, and financial obstacles hinder efforts to develop these necessary functions.

    Good lol

    I feel like there isn’t much that can be done to stop federated and decentralized services like Lemmy. I guess they could do ISP-level or browser-level fuckery, make the websites slow to load or whatever. Or pass legislation banning anonymity online. Not super feasible options when VPNs are so simple to use.

    • davel [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      39·
      6 months ago

      I think I know what their strategy will be already: Gain control of liberal/conservative instances, and cause the uncontrollable socialist instances to be defederated in order to isolate them. The instances that choose to federate with corpo social media will probably be the easiest to control and also have the largest user base. Running instances costs money without really making any, so there will be admins happy to accept assistance in the form of funding, but also in the form of “moderation” tooling and labor.

    • voight [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      7·
      6 months ago

      I think the best move for people on Lemmy would be to target communities which have a bad relationship either with a new powermod or come under the scope of reddit’s disinformation policy because of current events or a change in opinion etc, general side moderation issues (I no longer care enough about to even make a joke related to this),

      You get communities like Piracy that are more likely to get it scraped off you get those people to divert a tiny bit of collective resources into running an efficient federated site. AskHistorians briefly considered moving to a new site or something but balked because they are worms. Wish they’d made a lemmy.

      Similar strategy applies for microblogging platforms. Mastodon has lifted people like Robert Reich and that seems to be the high tier stuff on there.

      I will never forgive them for doing stuff like removing quote tweets to “stop bullying” as if screenshots don’t work, but I still visit because a lot of the wildlife and insect and landscape photography community, like programmers, is more willing to reach out for new platforms.

      Maybe they care more about what’s functional than about a brand of social media, maybe it’s bc they’re all Robert Reich libs but idk there’s hella bug dudes on Mastodon so I still visit.

      TLDR - Convincing 50k+ accounts to leave for Pleroma or Mastodon would be good for them. Lemmy needs more communities to leave from various sites. Not just reddit. Maybe scope out even weird forums.

      I’m not going to do any of this though, it sounds like a complete waste of my time. So maybe that undermines this as advice.

  • oktherebuddy@hexbear.netEnglish
    33·
    6 months ago

    wasn’t taibbi’s investigation about hunter biden dick pics and not like. mass consensus manufacturing of the state dept line through botting

    • davel [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      30·
      6 months ago

      That is what the Dem-aligned corporate media wanted Democrats to believe, and they seem have been very successful at it.

      Jacobin, Dec. 2022: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal

      Taibbi and others have discovered & revealed much more about the corporate social media propaganda system in the year since then, but Democrats have been trained to ignore all of it.

    • jonne@infosec.pubEnglish
      29·
      6 months ago

      Yeah, he basically ignored how voices on the left are way more likely to get banned for bullshit reasons, presumably because Musk didn’t provide him with those files. He let himself and his reputation be used, despite knowing better.

  • HexBroke [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    14·
    6 months ago

    Dem-aligned media did a bang-up job of discrediting Matt Taibbi

    To be fair he was pretty capable of that already when he flipped out about the prospect of being cancelled for his fictional accounts of what, raping trafficked Eastern European women or something