comrade @Riverside@reddthat.com here isn’t the slop, it’s the comments. I mean regardless of what they think of us, this is sad lol
I can’t believe there are real people out there that believe Hexbear of all things has done measurable damage to the Democrats. The sidebar says we’re at 724 users/day, there’s no way a niche shitposting community on a reddit clone swayed opinions on the Harris campaign even a single point. These people have completely bought into the helpless act the Dems put on and it’s sad.
Liberals truly believe politics is like Goku charging the spirit bomb. If you don’t offer enough intangible support like raw belief, you end up destroying everything. They think there’s a god of liberalism that we’re harming while we’re simultaneously giving spiritual energy to the demonic God of Russia.
Liberals believe in this because they’re so detached from political input they’ve decided politics must necessarily operate through spectacle and reaction. If you react incorrectly, it changes the nature of the spectacle, is how they see it.
Every leftist, when asked if/why we support China or any AES state, should simply say “I don’t support them, I like them. Unless the power of my opinion is some kind of real prayer, it makes exactly 0 difference”
Do more praxis.
Organizing my local fishers’ community and proclaiming “In the name of Xi!” like a medieval herald
Look, I was trying to be playful in my first response but I’m watching this get up votes so I’m just gonna be blunt. If you feel the need to say this, perhaps you’re better off just not calling yourself a leftist? Solidarity is a core concept of being leftist and if even the aesthetics of supporting AES states to a fucking
is that much of a burden, maybe being “leftist” isn’t for you?Just hold the line, hexbear. It’s not rocket science.
You’re right, to the extent that one can exercise solidarity and be materially useful to the interests of the working classes of the entire world, one should do so. And there are real material links between helping organize and advance the positions of workers in, say, Guatemala, and the project of Chinese socialism. We shouldn’t shy away from saying as such, so yes, my previous message is not universally correct. It is correct in the context of raising money for Palestinians and someone interjecting with “you guys support Chinese authoritarianism though” because in that context, it really is salient and relevant to say that nothing Hexbear has done as a community materially[1] impacts China.
By “materially,” in the loose way I’m using it in this sentence, I roughly mean to that extent and in the same order of significance of the previously stated fundraising drive ↩︎
It is correct in the context of raising money for Palestinians and someone interjecting with “you guys support Chinese authoritarianism though” because in that context, it really is salient and relevant to say that nothing Hexbear has done as a community materially[1] impacts China.
I appreciate your acknowledgement, but hard disagree at this. Because at that point you’ve now engaged in their propagation of harmful stereotypes and have ceded the point to them. “Oh, you say so and so beats his wife? Well I don’t support him, but I still like him.” Fine you’re not contributing to impacting them materially, but you are now contributing to harming them. Debatable whether we need to be directly engaging with these assholes at all, but if you are it sure as hell shouldn’t be to appease them. Our job as leftist is to set an example and build the future. Not getting all wishy washy so the libs like us.
I’m gonna be real I unironically and uncritically support everything China does
Liberals truly believe politics is like Goku charging the spirit bomb
Kamala/Biden going “GIVE ME YOUR ENERGY!” and its all suburbanite whites and nazi tattoo-totting mercenaries who are the ones raising their arms
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“Still a net negative on society” and it’s literally donating $1,500 to Gazans vs. thinking we’re annoying, very equal things, lemmitors and not a totally privileged position
And the people who’re saying they did more than us by voting for Kamala (100% confident they didn’t donate a dollar to palestinians btw) is just cope
Even if you are willing to accept that she would have been better for Palestinians than Trump, she lost! If all someone did to help Palestine is vote for her, then they have literally accomplished nothing!
And if you’re only taking voting into account and doing a very rough “how many people are dying in Gaza” as the metric, as bad as Trump has been the sound position would be that voting for Trump was harm reduction (edited to avoid implying people here voted for Trump, which I doubt literally anyone did).
Israel has, on average, killed less people in Gaza per day under Trump than they did under Biden. That remains true. This basically says nothing about Trump it’s just to point out that Joe Biden was a genocidal maniac who loved killing Palestinians more than anything in this world including his own party’s ability to win elections.
You wouldn’t happen to have a source for that, would you? I’d be interested to see how it compares and it’d be useful for discussion.
Israel has, on average, killed less people in Gaza per day under Trump than they did under Biden.
Unfortunately that’s probably due to the fact that there have been less people to kill rather than any policy difference.
Also you should probably rephrase your first paragraph. They’d probably latch onto it and think “see they voted for trump” even though you’re probably just using their definition of voting for trump, which is anyone besides Kamala.
That’s not really how voting works. Just because whatever you voted for lost, doesn’t mean that the vote didn’t do anything.
What does it accomplish then?
It’s a signal that you’re willing to give up your principles in exchange for what the candidate supports. So by voting for Kamala “most lethal military in the world” “the difference between me and Joe Biden is that I’m not Joe Biden” Harris, one helps Palestinians in the sense of giving them the security in knowledge that 100% of viable political parties and their supporters are A-OK with their slaughter. This is a buff.
First of all, in most democratic systems, funding is often decided by reaching a certain vote count. Second, in most functioning democracies, votes on stuff is not actually neatly split amongst party lines, so a different distribution of seats might change certain results on certain votes. Thirdly, often there’s another vote threshold than 50%, in most democracies there’s stuff like “you need 2/3 of the votes to change the constitution” or similar, at which point “how much you lose by” also matters.
And the most important of all is the categorical imperative/universalization. “What if everyone acted like you did?”
If everyone didn’t vote because “it doesn’t accomplish anything” then the result is that it doesn’t accomplish anything, you will definitely lose. But if everyone did vote even if it “doesn’t accomplish anything”, then suddenly you might win the vote because everyone voted.
Kamala Harris, who had Bill Clinton on her campaign trail doing hasbara.
She’s married to a Zionist! He was out there during her campaign constantly reassuring other zionists (donors) with public statements that his wife would defend Israel, while she remained mostly silent on the issue.
“Still a net negative on society” and it’s literally donating $1,500 to Gazans vs. thinking we’re annoying, very equal things
It makes sense if you assume that Gazans simply do not register as real flesh-and-blood human beings to them.
look sweaty, westerners seeing opinions they dont like is literally worse than starving gazans
heavy /S
There are people who say not only do you need to vote for the dems, it is still your fault if they lose if you were ever critical of them.
it’s not enough to support the party you must also be unquestionable and never critical
Best part about that is that they act like all of our users are Americans. Like, you guys do realize that the Internet is a worldwide thing right? Right??? They are mad about > 700 Americans saying they wouldn’t vote for Harris. Holy shit guys
Also, I wonder why a leftist instance with a more internationalist viewpoint would have more international leftists in it than instances almost entirely populated by Americans where every third post is inside Democratic party commentator drama or whatever.
Even if I didn’t have a posting culture and ideaological preference for Hexbear, you couldn’t fucking pay me to spend even more of my day having to listen to whatever the current US political media dog and pony show talking point is than I already do just by living in a US vassal state.
B-but Kamala lost Michigan by exactly 724
s! DAMN YOU JILL STEIN! 
We do have the most powerful posters.
I wish that were true. Democratic party needs to be thoroughly destroyed
The Democrats do more damage to themselves than I could ever hope to do. All I have to do is point as say “See what I am talking about, here?”
Anything but blaming the Dems for being pieces of shit.
It may blow their minds to find out that a lot of us arent even American and therefore dont vote in American elections
That makes it even more insidious because you’re foreign agents doing an election interference.
Did we forget to sign you up for the mail-in ballot program? I’ll be sure to correct that with the electoral fraud committee. /j
These people also blamed Palestinians for Trump being elected. They don’t care
we’re the new SomethingAwful
:ten-bux:
Nah, we’re cool with furries
This is some top tier slop. They hit all the classic lib talking points, every single one. Can’t even acknowledge raising money for Palestinians on 3 separate occasions is objectively good.
“Results don’t matter, only my fee fees do!”
that comment on “why not donate to Ukraine” is just… incredible. Like one country has the entire fucking backing of NATO and the US, the other one is having genocide committed against them by a US backed state. i WONDER why we’d focus on Palestine
Also, i’m 100% sure that none of these people complaining have actually donated shit to either lmao
100%. Palestinians are not real humans to them. At best they are an abstraction of suffering they never have to deal with and at worst they just see them as deserving of death for opposing US hegemony
Ukrainians are VVhite so that makes them infinitely more valuable to the western liberal/“leftist”
relatively white, to be precise
Lmao they are REALLY mad
I keep forgetting people care about our little chatroom until threads like this come up
Lemmy.world really is washed, the two biggest points against Hexbear (beyond vague “they do awful stuff” nonsense) are tired red scare tropes and pulling a whataboutism for Ukraine, trying to put an entirely different situation with entirely different context to the naked genocide committed in Palestine past and present. .world has never been federated with Hexbear, all of this is just nonsense.
This is a whole level of being beyond parody too lol, lemmitors who haven’t donated shit to either cause, even the one they’re pulling the whataboutery on, browbeating I and other users for donating to Palestinians, because of a label? lmao
Like chief i’d rather be a tankie who’s actually done good shit in comparison to a liberal who has sat on their ass for two years, blamed victims of genocide. and haven’t done anything even for their own causes. If that’s wrong according to Axisworld then i don’t want to be right
Well said! That’s why most of us either identify as “tankies” directly or point it out as nothing more than a pejorative for leftists that support existing socialism.
whataboutism 
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just a beautiful work of art. If you wrote dialogue like this for a serious politically-charged story, you would be laughed at for being “unrealistic” or “biased”Also,
Everyone involved here sucks
You mean including the Palestinians who receive these donations? They’re being a bit too happy going mask off in there. It’s always so obvious that every liberal Blue MAGA ZioNazi creep fucking hates Palestinians and are constantly looking for justifications for their hatred like bringing up Kamala’s loss as a slam dunk against leftists. Just wish every single one of them would just completely take off the mask and be honest with what they want to actually say
fucking ghouls, that comment was totally mask off
If anyone from greater Lemmy is reading this and is upset at our stance WRT Ukraine (especially vis a vis Nazis in Ukraine):
Hi! I hope you like our humble website. I also hope our stance on Ukraine doesn’t come across as cruel, and instead it can be understood for what it is. Though I don’t speak for everyone, I would like to briefly clear up misconceptions:
- The belief that Nazis in Ukraine justify Russian invasion is laughable. No amount of Nazis in the country, by their mere presence, would justify the war crimes, assaults on civilian areas, further development of weapons (both conventional and hybrid warfare) that inevitably leads to both sides increasing militarization instead of funding good causes, ecological destruction, and so on. If anyone tries to justify the entirety of the invasion based on the presence of far-right elements in Ukraine, they are wrong. Plain and simple. The actual reasons why some of us take Russia’s side are fundamentally because we believe that, absent the invasion, there has already been a war going on that merited direct intervention on Russia’s side. Not just in the local context of Ukraine, but Western imperialism more generally. That is a different discussion.
- The relevance of the presence of Nazis and other reactionary right wing elements in Ukraine, particularly among Ukraine’s armed forces, is in the effect it has on the prospects of arming Ukraine. Objectively speaking, far right Ukrainian Nationalists have penetrated into the armed forces and the government. Giving weapons to Ukraine inarguably means giving Nazis more power, like it or not. We believe that the effort to fight to the last Ukrainian, scuttle peace negotiations, and escalate the conflict via the increase in Europe’s military industrial complex are fundamentally a continuation of the US’ strategy of using fascism to combat democratic forces,[1] which goes back to the start of the Cold War in 1917[2] with the Russian Civil War and is most clearly exemplified in CIA operations like Bloodstone, Gladio, and Condor.
@Riverside@reddthat.com I was disappointed to see that the thread is already 4 days old so I couldn’t raise these points there directly. I want you to have this comment to link to in the future though, in case it comes up.
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Honestly you lost the potential audience in your first phrase when you wrote “vis a vis”.
tldr then:
- Russia invading Ukraine purely because there exist Nazis in Ukraine = not a valid reason
- Russia invading Ukraine because of broader geopolitical context and pre-existing Ukrainian civil war = maybe valid reason, separate discussion
- Arming Ukraine = sometimes arming some Nazis
- … Therefore arming Ukraine = not in the interest of those who would like to prevent Nazis in Ukraine from having weapons
- Arming Nazis in Ukraine has precedent and one has strong reason to think it’s intentional because the US has done this before
The implicit takeaway is that we should support a negotiated peace in Ukraine despite the fact it would mean Ukraine giving up much territory, because they’d lose that territory eventually anyway at the cost of more lives, more environmental destruction, and more nigh-irreparable damage to international relations and solidarity; Russia also ought to make concessions (and the part of me that holds immediate individuals’ human dignity and the sanctity of life above all else hates Russia and would like to see them make many, many concessions and pay lots of reparations, despite what the rational part feels) but ultimately those of us living in Western states may only extract more concessions out of Russia by supporting increased militarization, which obviously is Not Good.
I think you can make a much stronger argument, because it’s not merely that some of Ukraine’s armed forces etc. are Nazis, but that the government in general is openly Banderite and has openly brought explicitly Nazi groups into the military and then took its own initiatives to spread their influence by various means. The government is full of extremely self-aware and open Nazi collaborators who are happy to spread Nazism.
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I do remember saying that Ukraine would be better off being taken over by Russia at this point, but that’s because western countries are fully intent on using their “support” of Ukraine as leverage to strip the copper out of their walls.
Lol, there’s a comment saying we are evil and do “awful stuff”. Like, shitposting and countering capitalist propaganda is evil and awful now? Liberals are completely fucked up, the amount of brainworms the fediverse have for us have to be a record somewhere.
The most evil person a thing can do to a liberal is make a liberal unable to hide their head in the sand and force them to recognise that liberalism will solve nothing and only makes the world a worse place.
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My favorite things about those types of comments are that they pretty much never back it up, and in the rare occasions that they try to, they link you to some comment that clearly isn’t saying what they’re claiming it said.
Or they link to some comment by some user who was already banned for the shit they were saying. Or they’ll link to some top level joke comment that has 3 upbears. Or they link to something like “I think it’s bad when children are killed” and be like SEE THEY’RE ANTISEMITIC AND HATE UKRAINE, as if somehow wanting children to live happy and healthy lives is controversial or taking away from the struggle of anyone else
I help feed the homeless in my area.
love to see it, i run into the best comrades doing that
It’s a great way to make friends!
God you tankies sicken me
I kid you not. I haven’t been able to make a account on Lemmy.world cause it just doesn’t work for some reason. A friend posted a comment from here and I decided to sign up, was able to have a account by the end of the day and i was honest about my opinions on the forum.
because online shitposts are the same as action. that’s why the united states is the bestest most freest country in the world. because of freeze peach. except for the freeze peach of authoritankies because they are corrupting the minds of our precious childlike VOOTers.
I’ll save you reading the thread:
“you claim to be leftist, yet you did not vote for Kamala Harris!”
oh you reminded me of this gem https://hexbear.net/comment/6470513
admitting you don’t know the jakarta method on a hexbear thread
Yet another one of the numerous victims of communism
Opening up the post to see 287 new comments
Also what a blockhead lmao
That is amazing
Lol, gotta go up a couple levels for the real comedy though.
western style dumbass whines about “eastern style” governments
They have got to be trolling aint no way
They’re as evil as MAGA as far as I’m concerned.
These people genuinely live on a different planet lol
All of this is bullshit fuck these people.
I remember vividly all the “Hexbear is only claiming to be trans so I will misgender them constantly” posts that were spun in their little 196 chaser haven.
Yeah, I wasn’t there for the defed but I know enough to know this is bullshit. We agreed not to refederate a while back because we felt like it would make our trans community unsafe. But hey, that’s just the difference between a liberal trans instance and a “authoritarian” left unity instance.
If I recall correctly it was mostly our trans community who felt unsafe and wanted to defed. So basically they’re mad that when our trans community felt unsafe, we responded accordingly. They’re mad that we actually cared about what our trans community members wanted.
A year or so ago Ada reached out to us trans mods about wanting to set up a trans surgery comm to fill in the void left by the Reddit comm getting shut down. Her priority was based on maximizing traffic while we advocated for a walled off garden approach where we would vet people through our main instance for an extra level of safety and privacy. But her priority isn’t safety, it’s always been about clout for her.
She left that chat when I told her we already provide a safe space for trans folk and if she didn’t feel the same way she needed to reevaluate who she lets in to her own instance.
I am really starting to understand how revisionist history gets written and propagated so quickly.
We, as the clearly superior posters, win so hard at posting, that they have to de-federate or risk completely losing the narrative. And because we won so hard, and so decisively, we don’t really think about it that often, because we know we were on the correct side of this.
The other side, on the other hand had to de-federate to maintain their narrative, which means that the entire reason for their existence eventually becomes justifying that decision. We have to be the worst of the worst, we must have done all this terrible stuff (which they think of because they were the ones who did it), because the alternative is that they were wrong, so wrong that they had to cloister themselves away from those that were correct.
And so the weaver never stops weaving.
Like, this is some absolutely crazy revisionist history here, dear Lord. The idea that Ada ‘tried to unite the trans communities’ is such bonkers horseshit. They tried to convert the trans community here, and maybe more substantial stuff was going on behind the scenes but there was so much “Y’all must be cosplaying.” crap that was tolerated from blahaj, it was insane.
there was so much “Y’all must be cosplaying.” crap that was tolerated from blahaj, it was insane.
oh yea, we were bending over backwards to accommodate them and they continued to spit in our face
To me, it was shockingly disrespectful because I am one of the only long term straight users that hasn’t been banned lol, and I can tell you with great certainty, after years of posting, that the reason that the community is the way it is and operates the way it operates is because the majority of the modding team that actually controls the culture here are LGBT.
Yeah, the leftist anarchist and communist tendencies has abit to do with it, but a leftist instance run by mostly straight people would look completely different. It would look far more like r/chapotraphouse did. And while there are still elements of that culture that hang around, the idea that this place doesn’t have its own culture that isn’t specifically informed by the LGBT online experience is extremely funny.
It is because I post in this space that I can just fit in with young queer people irl. A real testament.
ecause I am one of the only long term straight users that hasn’t been banned
Wut
Is there anything to back this up?
That I am straight (trust me I am?) or that I have been here an extremely long time and haven’t been banned (yet)?
Usually an old-head will have a crash-out over something or another, get themselves banned for abit, then come back pissed about it, and just get banned again. Some just leave. And some, I assume, account hop which makes profile recognition extremely difficult, unless someone had an extremely specific posting style (ala SevenDeadlySins or BlackMoldFutures).
Otherwise, this shit is a vibes based analysis, I don’t have numbers. As the kids would say, this is unc telling stories.
I suppose I don’t think about the sexuality of other users very often. To have the idea that you are one of the only long term straight users to not be banned seems strange to me i guess.
I know we had a demographics survey at one point. Was the percentage of users who reported themselves as straight that small?
it’s been a while but like a third of the site was hetero (ew
)also @TreadOnMe@hexbear.net our accounts are only a few days apart in age! Just a couple of
amongst all the whippersnappers 
If I am remembering the demographic survey, which is all self reported btw, so about as horseshit as my analysis from a scientific perspective, I think we had about double the national reported average (though that also keeps increasing every year) so think about 20-30% of the community, which is extremely high in a community that isn’t explicitly about that identity.
And my thing is more how prolific and involved the queer community on hexbear is in its moderation and makeup, and that they tend to stick around and post for a long time. Literally, a major strain of reoccurring moderation policy is called (half-joking but still applied seriously) TransComrade69 (TC69) thought, even though TC69 had multiple crashouts before leaving the site entirely.
The closest thing to a real deviation from that is the news mega, but even they still abide by the rules as they are set up.
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I watched Ada help chase off a blahaj mod of their libertyhub comm, who then left lemmy altogether unsurprisingly, because of grail and another account. Only for those same users to start doing the same to others.
For someone who loves to say they are there to protect the community, really do a terrible job of it
I think this Korean comic explaining why historical revisionism occurs is a fun way of looking at the site drama, but obviously replace some of the wording to make it hexbear slamdunking the shit out of those nerds.
https://asurascans.com/comics/return-of-the-mount-hua-sect-963c76c5/chapter/159
Also its my favorite comic and it’s finally come back with season 3 after the staff waged a strike against their shitty publisher, told them to fuck off, then opened a new publisher just for themselves to publish their work
Whole lot of
and 
going on everywhere
We really are the Spectre haunting Lemmy and it remains the funniest thing about this platform.
It’s really funny how much vitriol they have for us. We are mostly shitposting about beans
I fucking hate you and wish you’d die
I like beans and communism
As Sun Tzu said “always tske your enemies way more seriously than they take themselves. It will make you look cool”
Lemmitors mad that Hexbear actually puts its money where its mouth is
Must be a coincidence we’re the only instance with an active fundraising community.
lmao “conveniently miss out all the awful stuff they do”. You are so right, bestie. Now since we do sooo much bad stuff maybe you could link to some on this public forum that we are on? Surely it would be easy enough since we do sooooo much of it.
it’s been three years so i guess we can just make up whatever we want now.I think it’s really telling how their main refrain is that we’re carrying water for supposed evil authoritarian regimes. Who are these regimes? What a coincidence they’re all the countries who have found themselves at odds with western imperialism huh weird
And their brains can’t take it. It’s staring at them right in the face, they like the white western liberal order and that is the fundamental core of their political ideology. They’ll say they don’t like the socialism of China or the DPRK, but are fine with the socialism of Sweden or Denmark. Yeah OK wow you like the white people and think the Asians are inherent despots
Like they’ve been more open about it in recent years but I wish they’d just come clean with themselves. They believe white western people do society correctly and that non-western people have incorrect genetics or a flawed culture that forces them to be evil. That’s their main problem with us.
