Jakkkobin
Ben Burgis
lol
Preface: I’m not an american
personally, having a totenkopf tattoo would be mostly a big no but I would still be open to the “I was young and stupid” excuse if it was met with corresponding longterm actions. However “I joined the modern day nazis multiple times to murder people across the world and to guard death and torture camps” is something unforgivable.
Idk man, it’s very fucking bleak seeing all these supposedly progressive, universalist voices doing so much effort to defend someone who has killed god knows how many people and I can only infer that americans generally are incapable of considering other people abroad as human beings.
I’m generalizing americans here but reading this thread I’m happy that there are at least a few of you pushing back against this idea, thank you.
Agree , this guy went to afghanistan and iraq thrice and once as a blackwater merc and wrote about how killing millions is worthy in “spreading their superior way of life”
There is a type of leftist who will rehabilitate a nazi so long as they promise free healthcare, Jakkkobin is one of them
Calling Platner a Nazi is not a “smear” it is a fact. Calling attention to the fact that he’s a Nazi didn’t work because liberals do not consider Nazism to be disqualifying. Just like they didn’t consider committing genocide to be a deal-breaker when supporting Kamala Harris.
Ukraine normalized Liberal-Nazism to such an extent the libs don’t even care about swastikas anymore. They just shrug and say ‘what are ya gonna do, oppose the nazis?’
My coworker donates to Azov and when I called him out on it (because he loves being a lib and talking politics at work) he said it’s the lesser of two evils
Because the reasonable “smears” such as the fact that he is an imperialist baby killer with no regrets; Americans don’t care about it because even so called “progressives” refuse to see non whites as people.
Even so called “leftists.” Anything for a bigger slice of the imperial pie
So how long until they do a piece called yes they are an out and about nazi running as a dem, but here’s why you need to vote for them to stop trump.
Closer to elections or during the 2028 presidential primaries?
even in their wildest fantasies they can’t imagine Reincarnated Hitler doing anything to stop trump but Vote Blue No Matter Who. i’m not advocating fedposting but like. everyone saw how horrified they were when that guy clipped his ear.
Killing immigrants is a marxist position actually is what they’re going with
But they love that. Why would the dems or gop demonize it
Ben Burgis is […] the author of several books, most recently Christopher Hitchens: What He Got Right, How He Went Wrong, and Why He Still Matters.
Neocon gonna neocon. It is truly embarassing to be platforming this kind of swine.
Trot to neocon pipeline vindicated yet again
“Why the Smears Against Graham Platner Didn’t Work”
Because the Amerikkkan people are too much of a hitlerite people to care about killing people in the global south
accusation is entirely based on a skull and crossbones tattoo
maybe dont get a nazi tatoo if you dont want to get called nazi?
maybe dont get a nazi tatoo if you dont want to get called nazi?
speaking of which, that’s another thing that amerikkkans don’t care about. the smears didn’t work because maine is an extremely white, extremely rural state. the only nazi symbol the average person can recognize and then bring themselves to feel something about is a swastika. otherwise people would (rightly) be making a much bigger and more constant deal about hegseth’s equally fascist crusader tattoos.
Because the Amerikkkan people are too much of a hitlerite people to care about killing people in the global south
To give the people of Maine a modicum of credit, it’s not like anyone else on the ballot is significantly different on that front policy-wise. Platner just has a more vulgar history with it. Which isn’t to justify him, just that he wasn’t particular in that regard.
it’s like, i don’t want to justify a guy who had a nazi tattoo and worked as a merc for the great satan, but i’m ok with any triage that involves stopping the genocide of mostly children? surely we don’t need to say that the democratic party is so identically the same as the republican party that electing a guy who the democratic party hates for being against funding genocide is the same as electing a lady who has on her record funding genocide.
you don’t understand it’s common for stupid military people to get one and keep it. Plus um acksually it wasn’t really one because it’s slightly wrong even though he immediately covered it and didn’t show it off to prove that you can’t say it was a nazi SS skull
https://lemmy.world/comment/23616129
sunrisepirate @piefed.social
Apparently the accusations of him being Nazi stem from a tattoo he got while on shore leave. Seems like pretty slim evidence. From the article:
Instead, the accusation is entirely based on a skull and crossbones tattoo that Platner got when he was a young Marine on shore leave in Croatia. He and a friend picked the design off the wall of the tattoo parlor. Unfortunately, he chose a Totenkopf, the skull and crossbones configuration used by the Nazi SS. If you do a Google search for “how to tell Totenkopf from other skull and crossbones designs,” you’ll learn that it has a “more articulated lower jaw” and more “defined” teeth than skulls used in other designs. I’m willing to take it on faith that there are people who can tell at a glance which jawline is which, but I am not one of them — and neither, unfortunately, was Platner.
He had a totenkopf for what, 15 years? And he only got it covered up after massive backlash
Glossing over that little ‘smear’, there is the whole debacle of who he is, such as the time where he talked about how he’d have loved to have been more involved in infantry combat in places like Vietnam or Gulf War 1 (not WWII though, how weird), how he deployed like 3 times(?), once as a PMC, the reddit account where he made racist as fuck comments…
I dunno, maybe the guy who had a Nazi tat for a third of his life, explicitly avoided saying he wanted to fight the Nazis (but really liked killing!), and was/is a racist asshole is maybe a Nazi
it is kind of wild how many jewish people he was openly wearing that tattoo around who didn’t know it was a nazi tattoo. people from fascist countries like the u.s. and isntrael aren’t taught anything. i’m pretty sure that for most amerikkkans, the only nazi symbol they can identify is the swastika.
don’t take this as an excuse for platner, but the reality of doing multiple tours with blackwater is way more damning to me since he actually knowingly did that shit 100% for real than a tattoo that he genuinely could have gotten without knowing its origins.
people from fascist countries like the u.s. and isntrael aren’t taught anything
That is genuinely not an exucse here .The totenkopf he was sporting is in like every fucking nazi thing, you can’t watch a ww2 documentary without seeing it, you can’t play a ww2 themed game without seeing it, fuck man you can’t even look at memes without seeing it (It’s on the hat in the “Are we the baddies” meme/sketch) it’s up there with the double sig rune and the wolfsangel. Hipster nazis use like the crossed stick grenades
I can give you my experience with the totenkopf as a clueless american: no doubt I saw it in war movies, WW2 photos, and such, but the first time my attention was brought to it was the “are we the baddies” sketch. And when I watched that sketch, I truly thought the skull on their hats was hyperbole, to make the sketch funnier. I truly had no idea that nazi hats actually had a skull on them until like 5 years ago. Ridiculous stuff, truly!!
until like 5 years ago.
Coincidences with the age of the site
Yeah, could be off a bit either direction, but yeah, that’s about right! A general time of learning/radicalization for me
i assure you, you are genuinely wrong, most people aren’t seeing that, and most people that are aren’t looking that closely. the average person just sees a skull and thinks about all the skulls in all the different military stuff and puts it in that box. they do not recognize the totenkopf specifically. excuse, not excuse, i don’t care to try and litigate what one man does and doesn’t know, but the population writ large doesn’t know this.
You misunderstand. You can not know.But the reason you don’t know isn’t because your middle and high school teachers failed you (The general you, not you specifically), if you (see prior note) consumed basically any media about or referencing ww2 you saw this symbol and it was used to denote a nazi. This information was not hidden, it was not secret, the issue here is not a failure of the education system.
ok that’s not the point i’m making, i’m not saying it was secret. i’m saying that the schools choose not to teach people explicitly about even a small survey of nazi symbols beyond the nazi swastika, and the average person does not pay close enough attention to pick up on this distinction themselves, and therefore they do not.
I’m not gonna defend the american education system. But this just is not one of their failures. This wasn’t obscured or obscure, this wasn’t kept from anyone, this was in fact promulgated and presented to people at numerous points and covered western pop culture and every single piece of visual media that involves nazis.
Its fine to not know, but the reason people don’t know is because they haven’t taken an interest. Which honestly is fine to me, but I dont accept the excuse it is caused by a failure in the school system.i’m telling you man, it really wasn’t. my wife took a class on THE HOLOCAUST and wasn’t taught about different nazi symbols. i just showed her a totenkopf, no clue. other than the swastika, which she’s over my shoulder telling me she knows about. please. you cannot insist that people learn this in general.
if it was shitty quality i’m not going to look super closely at some dipshit inlaw’s body
i mean i think these people are on the record as saying they weren’t aware of the totenkopf as a symbol. i’m not sure if the relative quality of an albanian, nazi tattoo parlor is relevant to that.
Yeah, but he promised to give us stuff maybe!
accusation is entirely based on a skull and crossbones tattoo
entirely
entirely
might just be his material existence in the real world of actually existing fired mortar rounds in fallujah? fucks sake.
blow up an apc factory (by firing a mortar round in the packaging zone), then i’ll believe in redemption. or don’t be elected as one of 100 most important persons in empire.
many vets who saw friends killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, he drew the obvious conclusion about starting similar wars going forward
presumably if they don’t see their friends getting killed, then it’s all good? fucking ben burger
*that’s not even the worst possibility, the worst possibility he is peter thiel plant infiltrating the left, just complete lmayo then
and he went to blackwater
where he was recruited to infiltrate left-wing spaces and his
“epic” posting started around then, wake up sheeple 
Jacobin, Nazi apologists
“A bad tattoo choice”
Mmm, yeah, ok. Whatever makes you demsocs feel better.
A shrek tatoo is a bad tatoo choice, a fucking Nazi Totenkopf is something entirely else. Thats not a dogwhistle thats a foghorn
example of a bad tattoo
example of a *good tattoo
fixed it for you
how
Surely he means WHY would he cover this up?
Which is still better than the one he got to cover up the SS skull
Answer: The average amerikkkan loves nazis
