Pretty sure he saved some lives as a result of his actions. As I recall, approvals for treatment went up for a bit right?
(Luigi Mangione) detailed some of his planning leading up to the murder. He said that he was motivated by years of back pain and what he believed was a health insurance system working against him. He said that, once he learned that the UnitedHealthcare Company was holding an investor summit in Manhattan, he e-mailed company leadership posing as an investor to get information about where and when this meeting was taking place.
And that’s how he was able to confront Brian Thompson. Mangione also shared an observation with the judge that had clearly made an impression on him. He talked about how, while he was posing as a wealthy investor, leadership e-mailed him back within an hour, and he said that was in stark contrast to his interactions with insurers as a patient.
Legendary.
Helluva insight there.
you like to solve things with murder?
legitimate act of resistance?
we only want medicare for all, also no police, no prisons
we live in a magical world
Murder has been solving things from the dawn of mankind
What did I say to trigger you to ask me any of these questions?
we live in a magical world
This appears to be projection, given how much of this you made up in your head
I was working on a house for this retired lawyer this week. At dinner he was talking about how hard it was to find Healthcare a while ago because his wife had cancer and he had heart issues. He was talking about the thousands he had to pay then and also talking about trying to pay for Healthcare for everyone at his practice and how horribly expensive that was and how he had to eventually drop it. The very next day I walk by the living room and the news is reporting on Luigi, and his comment was “I wish they would just take him outside and shoot him, but they won’t do that will they”
The disconnect, even for someone so smart, is real
A lot of people really do just absorb whatever first piece of information they get, often from TV, and then never ever question it. If you push them about it, they’ll even defend it.
Most people cannot give more than two reasons why they think or believe a certain thing. They literally stop at the first thing they think of and don’t explore it any further.
I’m failing to see the disconnect. Someone can want healthcare reform in the US without supporting cold-blooded murder lol.
You think the man is just against “cold-blood” murder and in the same time advocates for shooting Mangione right on the spot? Funny…
The disconnect is right here on Lemmy…
I mean, the guy did plead guilty lol.
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I totally get where you’re coming from, but let me play devils advocate: when their policy is to deny and dispose which results in the death of so many people, ruins the livelihoods of so many people. When we know the majority support universal Healthcare and we know it would save the lives of like 172000 people every year. The ceo may not kill people with a gun, but he is killing with the pen. When they make decisions that they know will kill people but will also raise the stock price, then what is justified?
Social murder is what you’re describing. Through policy, red tape, and just wealth inequality people die who didn’t have to.
I don’t disagree with you at all. I think the corporate class ought to be held responsible. However, I’m not a fan of individuals being the judge, jury, and executioner. Part of the power of the Nuremberg trials, for example, was the exposing of evil and proving the individuals were tied to it. It would’ve been quite different had the Allied forces simple shot the Nazi leaders dead without any sort of trial.
Well, one of them is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, the other is only responsible for one.
Luigi didn’t do shit. He clearly wasn’t the guy in the pictures at the scene, and the cops clearly planted evidence
Still sacrificed for the real person then
“I shot Mr. Thompson and he died. I knew that what I was doing was illegal.”
I think any doubt has now been removed.
Plenty of innocent people have been coerced into falsely pleading guilty. Sometimes it’s the best legal move if you’re getting railroaded.
Yes. We may still think Luigi to be innocent. But the court can no longer do so. Nor can the defense now argue for innocence.
Yeah, I’m a huge fan of Luigi getting a trial and having a happy ending. But what he said seals the deal on that one. It’s all a legal battle now.
It’s explicitly not a legal battle anymore. That’s literally the one type of battle it isn’t. A guilty plea means the only thing left for the court is sentencing. However, many people take guilty plea deals for lighter sentencing if they suspect they’re going to be convicted anyway. The legal battle is over, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other battles still to fight.
As it turns out, he doesn’t take his legal advise from Lemmy.
Coerced
Luigi Mangione sacrificed his freedom for Nothing.
I wouldn’t call removing an asshole who profited on the suffering and deaths of others “nothing.”
Ya, many claims are approved in the following morning, he already saved lives.
Oligarchs in a panic trying to spin the narrative on this “see! It didn’t accomplish overnight system change so no reason to kill ghoulish parasites anymore!”
He showed that the only way these business listen to working class people about stealing our money and CHOOSING to end our lives is through us making the same decision for them.
Luigi stopped healthcare insurance from using AI, United healthcare even changed how they were denying people to be more fair. However, this lost momentum and a corrupt, business friendly fascist regime came into the picture and gave the insurers their greed back.
Luigi didn’t do what he did for nothing. He showed everyone what is needed, and also showed that it can’t be just one, you gotta catch’em all
I say, as punishment, Luigi should be made POTUS.
That was punishment fit enough for trump, and Luigi has helped far more Americans than trump ever will
Stupid take considering how many centrist Democrats just got primaried.
Let’s hope it’s a turning of the tide!
Changes take time.
This was just one step. More are needed. Even peaceful ones.
Pretending it just take one action to change a whole system is dumb.
Where will “demanding our right to healthcare” get us? We can demand stuff all day long, at best we’ll get ignored. At worst, we’ll lose our jobs (and thus any health care) or our homes or our lives.
The majority of Americans hate this government and the oligarchs who run it. Even if we organized and protested en masse, the billionaires and the deluded cultists who buy their lies will just deride and/or destroy any uprising. We’ve been successfully divided & conquered.
I’m too old to start over. I have a house & a family to think about. I can’t risk losing my job. my healthcare is tied to it. I can’t go starting a revolution. I’m sorry to admit that I’m beat.
I disagree. But if you need to rest, rest. As long as you know they are horrible people, that is enough for me.
“Do what you can. And if you can’t do anything then at least don’t get in the way of the people who are.”
90 million people don’t vote. We demand jack shit.
So I agree that this is a problem. It undermines the legitimacy of pretty much every sitting government in history. And it’s something that needs solving. Very important.
But when the choice is between someone who shows no motivation whatsoever to support universal healthcare, and someone who shows no motivation whatsoever to support universal healthcare, I kind of struggle to see the connection between low turnout and low healthcare coverage.
Again, low turnout is a bad problem, and if we had higher turnout, no one could ever say “not my president” about Trump/Biden/Obama/Bush, which is something to aim for. Legitimizing the sitting government is very important, and as such greater turnout is important.
I’m betting the state prosecutors feared not just the possibility, but the likelihood of jury nullification, and begged the feds to make a deal.
he didnt make a deal though…
Not publicly. But there is a reason why he chose to settle, and that reason is known to the feds.
Probably doesn’t help that Luigi supports the political side that is expressly against increasing healthcare coverage.
It’s never too late for him to become an influencer.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
That wasn’t spit
Rain?
That’s it, a single very long and warm raindrop.
