“With Advanced Data Protection turned on, Apple doesn’t have the encryption keys needed to help you recover your end-to-end encrypted data.” it’s literally on the page. If they have them, prove it, and launch yourself the most profitable lawsuit against apple possible. Otherwise you’re just bring a grumpy fool.
Two things here. I’m not saying these are necessarily true, but they can be true.
-Apple could be lying.
-Apple could change their corporate policy on providing backdoor access for governments.
In the end, you are trusting a profit-seeking corporation to protect your data and conduct themselves in an ethical and honest way. They also had their phones built in factories where people threw themselves from the rooftop to escape the inhumane conditions. Just saying…
That could be true of literally any encryption you did not develop yourself and any os or hardware in the same lieu. Apple’s implementation is legally binding and third-party verified. That’s as good as you’re gonna get with any operating system you don’t entirely vet yourself, and no a third party linux distribution is not a os you manage yourself as governments local to the distrubuting party/management organization can require backdoors in even those.
In the end you are trusting other humans using their tools to do things you hope you understand but generally fully do not, so you must engage in a modicum of trust. This is just the great abstraction problem in any compute environment. Generally we base this on past or prior actions in combination with behaviors we can monitor or prove. Or should we talk about how pretty much every modern encryption scheme was minted by the NSA?.. Just saying… Right that doesn’t mean anything and I say that knowing I’ve got the loaded bullet of apple being the only corporate entity I’m familiar with to risk a public war with the US government by hosting this page despite gag orders while also refusing to implement said backdoors. https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
If you didn’t see that as a masterclass in running with a bad situation you clearly aren’t watching closely enough. I don’t agree with the actions, but a 25k gold turd dumped on the orange turds desk saved them millions in additional illegal tarrifs leveraged against Chinese imports, and their business actions have no impact on the technological underpinnings. That’s the whole point of what I said, that it doesn’t fucking matter who made it or what they’re doing at the end of the day because you’re trusting underlying encryption technology developed by the NSA (or did you forget Edward Snowden leaked they were spying on everyone?). Like /r/whoosh…
25k gold turd dumped on the orange turds desk saved them millions in additional illegal tarrifs leveraged against Chinese imports
Trump is a huge idiot, but he’s an even bigger gifter and conman. You think he let Apple off the hook for a little statue? Do you think the CEO of Apple flew out there just to give it to him personally to really show his appreciation? Trump doesn’t do anything without some quid pro quo, and there is no way he let Apple off the leash for such a paltry tithe.
Tim went there to let Trump know he would play ball.
You’re not wrong that they did a lot more than that. 1Mil for the ballroom, etc, etc. But given the illegal actions taken by the government there were no other options, and paying financial tithes does not compromise apple’s core mission which is valid critique you can leverage against them. I’m no apple stan. They’re not my savior, or even a “good” company imo… But you gotta pick your battles man and just making shit up ain’t gonna get you anywhere in any debate, unless apparently you’re the toddler n chief of the united states.
Did Tim not go there personally? Did he not bend the knee? Would you consider the small trophy an insufficient bribe for the amount of financial relief Apple got from the most successful conman grifter in history? It’s logical to assume there is a gap in what we saw, and what actually happened.
None of that is in the least relevant to the conversation at hand. I literally don’t understand what you’re going on about at this point, I’ve already said that yes they capitualated, but they have a track record of not capitulating when it comes to encryption and they’re under the same societial stipulations all encryption providers are, and modern encryption is pretty much exclusively provided by algorithms designed and detailed by the US NSA (vetted by competing governments). None of Apples business dealings have anything to do with the simple fact that their implementation is robust as and leaves you to as much risk as any operating system and hardware you did not design or fully vet yourself, which I can actually assure you based on the sheer volume of silicon and lines of code involved, you did not do.
In the end, your device will never be truly open source hardware + software, whether its Apple or not, so you will have to trust someone at some point if you’d like to continue using electronic devices.
True, but you can use open source software that is vetted by multiple independent 3rd party non-profit organizations that have only their own reputation to uphold, and who’s findings are verified by thousands of independent reaearchers.
Perhaps, in the end, storing your data on media you don’t actually control shouldn’t be considered as locked in a safe, but instead stored in a museum with a high price of admission.
If only we had open source hardware to run that open source software on, then it could actually be trusted. Until you control the hardware, you shouldnt consider it safe.
If only there were multiple independent 3rd party non-profit organizations that have only their own reputation to uphold, and who’s findings are verified by thousands of independent reaearchers, to review hardware and check for backdoors.
“With Advanced Data Protection turned on, Apple doesn’t have the encryption keys needed to help you recover your end-to-end encrypted data.” it’s literally on the page. If they have them, prove it, and launch yourself the most profitable lawsuit against apple possible. Otherwise you’re just bring a grumpy fool.
Two things here. I’m not saying these are necessarily true, but they can be true.
-Apple could be lying.
-Apple could change their corporate policy on providing backdoor access for governments.
In the end, you are trusting a profit-seeking corporation to protect your data and conduct themselves in an ethical and honest way. They also had their phones built in factories where people threw themselves from the rooftop to escape the inhumane conditions. Just saying…
That could be true of literally any encryption you did not develop yourself and any os or hardware in the same lieu. Apple’s implementation is legally binding and third-party verified. That’s as good as you’re gonna get with any operating system you don’t entirely vet yourself, and no a third party linux distribution is not a os you manage yourself as governments local to the distrubuting party/management organization can require backdoors in even those.
In the end you are trusting other humans using their tools to do things you hope you understand but generally fully do not, so you must engage in a modicum of trust. This is just the great abstraction problem in any compute environment. Generally we base this on past or prior actions in combination with behaviors we can monitor or prove. Or should we talk about how pretty much every modern encryption scheme was minted by the NSA?.. Just saying… Right that doesn’t mean anything and I say that knowing I’ve got the loaded bullet of apple being the only corporate entity I’m familiar with to risk a public war with the US government by hosting this page despite gag orders while also refusing to implement said backdoors. https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
Here is what I think of Apple’s decade old customer letter…
https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/23/apple-amongst-us-tech-giants-backing-trumps-white-house-ballroom-reno
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/03/tim-cook-apple-donate-1-million-trump-inauguration
Businesses “Standing up to Trump” was so 2016. 2025 was the year of “bend the knee, kiss the rings, work the shaft.”
If you didn’t see that as a masterclass in running with a bad situation you clearly aren’t watching closely enough. I don’t agree with the actions, but a 25k gold turd dumped on the orange turds desk saved them millions in additional illegal tarrifs leveraged against Chinese imports, and their business actions have no impact on the technological underpinnings. That’s the whole point of what I said, that it doesn’t fucking matter who made it or what they’re doing at the end of the day because you’re trusting underlying encryption technology developed by the NSA (or did you forget Edward Snowden leaked they were spying on everyone?). Like /r/whoosh…
Trump is a huge idiot, but he’s an even bigger gifter and conman. You think he let Apple off the hook for a little statue? Do you think the CEO of Apple flew out there just to give it to him personally to really show his appreciation? Trump doesn’t do anything without some quid pro quo, and there is no way he let Apple off the leash for such a paltry tithe.
Tim went there to let Trump know he would play ball.
You’re not wrong that they did a lot more than that. 1Mil for the ballroom, etc, etc. But given the illegal actions taken by the government there were no other options, and paying financial tithes does not compromise apple’s core mission which is valid critique you can leverage against them. I’m no apple stan. They’re not my savior, or even a “good” company imo… But you gotta pick your battles man and just making shit up ain’t gonna get you anywhere in any debate, unless apparently you’re the toddler n chief of the united states.
Did Tim not go there personally? Did he not bend the knee? Would you consider the small trophy an insufficient bribe for the amount of financial relief Apple got from the most successful conman grifter in history? It’s logical to assume there is a gap in what we saw, and what actually happened.
None of that is in the least relevant to the conversation at hand. I literally don’t understand what you’re going on about at this point, I’ve already said that yes they capitualated, but they have a track record of not capitulating when it comes to encryption and they’re under the same societial stipulations all encryption providers are, and modern encryption is pretty much exclusively provided by algorithms designed and detailed by the US NSA (vetted by competing governments). None of Apples business dealings have anything to do with the simple fact that their implementation is robust as and leaves you to as much risk as any operating system and hardware you did not design or fully vet yourself, which I can actually assure you based on the sheer volume of silicon and lines of code involved, you did not do.
In the end, your device will never be truly open source hardware + software, whether its Apple or not, so you will have to trust someone at some point if you’d like to continue using electronic devices.
True, but you can use open source software that is vetted by multiple independent 3rd party non-profit organizations that have only their own reputation to uphold, and who’s findings are verified by thousands of independent reaearchers.
Perhaps, in the end, storing your data on media you don’t actually control shouldn’t be considered as locked in a safe, but instead stored in a museum with a high price of admission.
If only we had open source hardware to run that open source software on, then it could actually be trusted. Until you control the hardware, you shouldnt consider it safe.
If only there were multiple independent 3rd party non-profit organizations that have only their own reputation to uphold, and who’s findings are verified by thousands of independent reaearchers, to review hardware and check for backdoors.
Hey, if those multiple independent 3rd party non-profit orgs can do those audits for Apple, they can also do them for random hardware!
You seem to have lost your train of thought, despite it being a single caboose.
Oh, on me, I thought we were talking about closed source hardware. Im sure when you said this, this wasnt meant exclusively towards Apple.