Pretty sure they can also see everyone through the walls now if there’s wifi, and hear you with the mics on your speakers, and tv, and phones, and laptops.
I was watching a murder case on YouTube
An unknown phone number called the victim.
They saw it was a burner phone.
They have video of him buying the phone.
They have video of him walking around in different states.
They have video of him driving around in different states.
They knew where his real phone was at all times.
The video was uploaded 5 years ago.
USA is a crazy on surveillance.
can we get a link
Was this the one where the victim was his mom? If it’s the same one, it’s pretty insane
I’m pretty sure the people who are sawing off flock cameras for the most part aren’t the ones with ring cameras
I think the message is that we should be just as frustrated with ring cameras too, and not saying you should, but if they accidentally get smashed…
It amazes me how some people cant comprehend different mindsets existing in the same space. Especially coming from fucking europe
What do you mean? Are flock and ring cameras two different mindsets?
A quick search looks like the Roman empire at its peak was about half the size of the US. I don’t think people recognize the absolute size of the US.
I mean, most people in urban areas agree generally, but even like city to city there are massive leaps in quality of education, climate, policy, social environment, etc etc that all shape how a person thinks and acts.
Right, but the very idea of “local culture” has been severely weakened. A guy in Alberta or Alabama are both the same annoying, stupid conservative with basically all the same opinions and crappy “jokes” despite the on-paper differences.
Yes, people are different and the people who hate Flock are highly unlikely(but not guaranteed) to be the same people. On the other hand, I would not be the least bit surprised if many people who are onboard with the Flock hate have no true idea why, and so still keep their Ring cameras because they think they’re different.
“Alexa, is constant surveillance a bad thing?”
I thought ring started getting blockback even before the anti flock became popular.
As your mail, mobile geolocation and plenty of other data.
The difference is that in flock case the system is “push” (flock alerts the police with their alerts real or due to bugs) while ring/gmail/mobiles is “pull” (police needs a warrant if you are an US citizen, it needs to be processed by the cloud provider, etc) and most crucially police needs to already know what is looking
police need a warrant to view your camera specifically, but they absolutely do not need a warrant to request video from a ring camera stored by amazon. they just ask for it and amazon hands it straight over.
Police don´t need a warrrant to get third party information for you UNLESS that third party refuses.
Guess what?
If it records to the cloud, it’s not your footage. It can and will be acquired/distributed against your will.
For the most part this it’s true, although it’s possible to do it securely. Security cam footage stored in iCloud is end to end encrypted. Apple can’t access it.
Idk why you’re being down voted. With ADP enabled and using icloud secure cameras the data is encrypted by keys stored only on your local devices, Apple has no access to these keys and there are no recovery options through apple. If you lose all of your devices and your recovery code and your login information, the data is gone. This has been validated by independent third parties. It’s also worth noting that apple still to this day hosts the only corporate “fuck you, we’re encrypting it” public memo I’ve ever seen at https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ .
Sure, let’s stick to facts like Apple is the most privacy oriented company in the world and regularly gives a “fuck you” to the government.
Apple admits to secretly giving governments push notification data - Ars Technica
Apple account data is irrecoverable.
How to request access to a deceased family member’s Apple Account
Just because you repeat marketing “talking points”, doesn’t make it a “fact”.
Simping for one of the most profitable, closed source, authoritarian friendly, anti competitive, ring kissing pedophile president company is definitely a choice.
The push notification issue applied to all push notifications including any os that delivered them (Google, Microsoft, etc) which is a valid concern we can discuss, family recovery is not possible with ADP enabled jfc learn to read, and I never stated they were the most privacy oriented company in the world. Hate all you like boo but their implementation of E2E is vetted and legit as any, and idk how any of this is simping because I don’t fucking like apple. I’m just not going to subscribe to blind stupid baseless hate that does not follow any factual reality.
I’m being downvoted because I dare say something positive about Apple. People don’t like that here.
Apparently and fr. I’m by no means an apple stan but let’s give them shit for things they’re actually guilty of instead of gaslighting ourselves with new bs.
Pretty much. There’s plenty to bitch out apple for. I don’t see why people can’t just stick to the facts.
Yeah, I remember several years ago they got a terrorists iphone and Bush tried to pressure Apple to give them access to the phone; Apple refused to cooperate. Good on them.
I wouldn’t bet on that.
E2E doesn’t matter if you don’t control the other end.
Yes. 100%. End to end encrypted means the decryption key is at the other end. Where Apple is.
If it were ACTUALLY secure you would have BOTH the encryption AND decryption keys and Apple would only have a useless, unreadable, encrypted binary blob.
They literally give you the keys. See Advanced Data Protection
So, it does say that not even Apple can read your data, but it also says it’s protected by “end to end encryption”, which if Apple can’t read your data, is absolutely nonsense usage of the term.
“End to end encryption” means encrypting the data at one end, and decrypting it at the other end. That’s literally the NAME. If they’re not doing that, the term is completely nonsense to use. They might as well say they have fat-free encryption. What they’re really doing is storing an encrypted file that you hold both keys for. And IF that’s what they’re doing, that’s actually fantastic - far better than end-to-end encryption because only you can decrypt it. But they’re not inspiring confidence by COMPLETELY misusing a term that has nothing to do with what they’re doing.
The other point is, if those keys… if you have to manually copy those keys over between all of your devices? Great. You’re actually protected. If, however, you just connect to your Apple account and now you can get your files out of iCloud? That means that Apple DOES have your decryption keys SOMEWHERE, because otherwise they couldn’t send them to your other devices, which means, sorry, whatever they’re promising, they DO have the ability to look at your files if they’re motivated enough.
End to end means the ends you use it at, ot the server you’re imagining it ending up on.
In this case the “ends” are your devices.
It has to be decrypted for you to use it stupid… Ffs they literally call it out in the line “No one else can access your end-to-end encrypted data, not even Apple, and this data remains secure even in the case of a data breach in the cloud.”. To apple end to end encryption is keeping the data entirely encrypted up until it hits your device where you use it… I could go on about how you misunderstand the tech but you’re better off just actually looking into how they implement it because they account for your concerns.
The fact that there are multiple seprate recovery options to regain access to your account and with it access to those encrypted backups is all the clue you need to know those keys are not stored only on your device.
Apple has access to those keys - whether they want to directly admit it or not.
“With Advanced Data Protection turned on, Apple doesn’t have the encryption keys needed to help you recover your end-to-end encrypted data.” it’s literally on the page. If they have them, prove it, and launch yourself the most profitable lawsuit against apple possible. Otherwise you’re just bring a grumpy fool.
They literally say to store your Recovery keys in a safe place or you could get locked out of your account.
If you don’t know your account password and have lost or otherwise don’t have a trusted device, you need your recovery key to regain access to your Apple Account. If you can’t provide your recovery key, you’ll be locked out of your account permanently.
Print a copy of your recovery key or write it down. Keep your key in a safe place, and consider storing a copy in more than one place. You can also give a copy of your recovery key to a trusted family member.
Don’t store your recovery key in your Apple Passwords app, iCloud Photos, Notes, or iCloud Drive. If you lose access to your Apple Account, you won’t be able to open these apps to find it.
There are no ways to recover your account if you have ADP on. Stop making stuff up. You need to have your key written down and stored somewhere safe, otherwise you are SOL and locked out forever.
They do not.
Ding ding ding!!!
The test of E2E encryption is “who manages the keys?” If the answer isn’t me, it isn’t E2E encrypted.
I think they’re trying to say that while apple encrypts in transit (upload + download is sftp or some other secure transfer method that can’t be eavesdropped on), they don’t encrypt at rest, meaning the data is written in decrypted format to disk. Which is a data security no-no for mine and most enterprises out there. They’re alleging that if someone got into an apple server, they’d be able to read your data and anyone elses.
Now that might not be true but I don’t see apple saying otherwise anywhere obvious.It’s not true. I’m pretty sure Google do this though. They retain a level of access to train their ai models and other deep learning algorithms on what you write in docs or the photos you upload.Thats not how it works at all. The traffic is encrypted locally on the device before it even gets sent to Apple.
You don’t have to bet on it. Just look it up.
Nope! The only question that needs to be asked is: who manages the encryption keys?
If the answer isn’t you, it isn’t E2E encrypted.
The answer is you lol it’s end to end encrypted. You couldn’t do one google search before making some dumb assumptions?
Do you actually know anything about Apes E2EE or ADP?
You do control the keys. They’re generated solely on your device locally.
Ring cameras can’t grab license plates or track fast moving cars effectively. They can track slower moving pedestrians, but no one walks in america any way…
anyone got a source? I know they aren’t a good idea but can police really access them?
if you watch true crime you’ll see how they have footage from you from all kinds of stuff including doorbells.
They only mention recordings in response to warrants, but yes.
https://ring.com/support/articles/oi8t6/Learn-About-Ring-Law-Enforcement-Guidelines
Discovery gainst the company and I’m sure they have to produce your cloud saves.
They love ring cameras because crime so bad
