• Hildegard (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    84
    ·
    15 days ago

    I would celebrate! We are a team. We are invested in each other’s success.

    If you would be upset, or feel inadequate, in response to your wife’s unprecedented success, you simply do not have the temperament for marriage.

    • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      15 days ago

      And even if you are envious, it’s better to be remembered as someone’s spouse for centuries than forgotten after a few decades, like most people are. Marrying someone who’ll be remembered for centuries is a major achievement in its own right.

    • Coldcell@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      14 days ago

      He was, very. He always believed in her genius and coaxed her to turn the short ghost story into a novel. That’s why his early death hung over her so much.

  • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    40
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    12 days ago

    What a bizarre rant.

    Mary Shelley was married to Percy Shelley, a famous poet.

    Which doesn’t diminish Mary Shelley’s accomplishments, regardless.

    And what if we swapped the genders?

    You could do the same to Mileva Marić but that would make you an asshole.

    • terranoid@lemmy.cafe
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      14 days ago

      Also kind of ridiculous, because looking deeper into it, Lord Byron wrote “Fragment of a Novel” which seems to be credited as the first vampire themed English literature, though he never finished it.

      So literally the competition produced the Vampire and Frankenstein theme in English horror. It’s more interesting to me that a bunch of writers played a little game and basically invented so much.

  • cobysev@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    ·
    15 days ago

    Mary Shelley’s actual husband, Percy Shelley, was a poet. Imagine having a career as a professional writer and your wife, who’s never published a work of fiction ever, writes a novel for a competition and becomes so famous for it, your name becomes a footnote in history under hers.

    I’m all for supporting the endeavors and success of your spouse, but that still has to sting a little bit.

    • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      15 days ago

      Percy Shelley at least gets due credit as a poet among poetry lovers, and a break on the prose competition because it’s not his genre. And Byron has his own fame/notoriety. But John Polidori is like Ron Goldman, a footnote in his own murder.

    • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      15 days ago

      Yeah I did a whole paper on Shelly’s Frankenstein in college and while doing research about her and the book learned he was a real swell gent for the time. Hell he was better than almost any rich white guy now.

  • Juice@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    15 days ago

    Marry Shelley’s husband was not John Polidori, it was Percy Bysshe Shelley. Surprised no one picked this up. Percy was an amazing poet.

    John Polidori was in love with Mary, but was not married to her

    • balsoft@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      15 days ago

      The OP does not suggest that John Polidori was her husband. There’s a comma between “her husband” and “John Polidori”. And in fact the post seems to be correct (judging by Wiki):

      In 1816—at the suggestion of Lord Byron—Mary, Percy, John Polidori and Byron himself, each agreed to try writing a ghost story

      • LostCarcosan@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        15 days ago

        Well, it’s an unclear structure. Putting a comma before and after someone’s name is correct if including the name would not change the meaning of the sentence, as in this case. In the case of OP’s sentence, it could have implied that Polidori was Mary Shelley’s husband as his name, while important to the meaning of the sentence, was included in a list of other people, including Mary Shelley, Mary Shelley’s husband, and Lord Byron.

        • balsoft@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          15 days ago

          I agree it is ambiguous, however usually you don’t separate parentheticals by commas inside a comma-separated list, so the “more likely” reading is the one without the parenthetical.

          An unambiguous version that doesn’t diminish the joke would be “Lord Byron, John Polidori, Mary Shelley, and her husband”. But alas it’s difficult for writers to find ambiguities in texts that they write (that’s what editors are for).

      • Juice@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        15 days ago

        I see the comma now, but Percy Bysshe Shelley was an incredible writer who is studied and lauded, rightly, on his own merit. Anyone reading this thinking Mary’s husband is insignificant compared to Frankenstein needs to read Ozymandias or The Masque of Anarchy right now and witness this beautiful, humanistic and liberatory spirit.

    • Manalith@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      14 days ago

      I think that was just poor grammar, seems like “her husband” and John Polidori are two separate characters in the statement not that John Polidori was an elaboration of what her husband’s name was. But that’s how I read it initially too.

      • Juice@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        15 days ago

        I mean, I’m a big fan of Percy Shelley’s poetry, the fact that he isn’t taught more IMO has to do with the liberatory character of his writing more than he was an inferior writer to Mary. Mary’s book is great, but PBS was an incredible writer whose work has wide cultural significance, even if we aren’t like forced to read it in school or whatever.

        People should read more PBS, he should be more popular.

  • ClathrateG [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    edit-2
    14 days ago

    Byron was a super-famous poet before this competition, and he wrote Draculawhat would late inspire Dracula during this, not to belay the point Mary Shelley is far more well known generally than George Gordon Byron. But ‘Lord Byron’ is still very well known if short being a household like Shelley, especially in the UK or with those with even a passing internet in English language poetry

    Fun facts, The competition was inspired by the gloominess caused by the ‘Year without a Summer’ which it was the time 1816

    And Shelly’s mother was Mary Wollstonecraft an early women’s liberation writer and activist ‘the Mother of modern Feminism’ (very influential on the suffragetes)
    and Byron’s daughter but not the one he had with Shelly was Ada Lovelace the OG coder

  • rbos@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    15 days ago

    Lord Byron was no slouch either. She overshadowed someone who puts off a decent light himself, that is how badly he was owned.

    • DokPsy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      15 days ago

      Tbf, beating Lord Byron at things was a common pastime for women in his life. See also, his daughter Ada Lovelace, the mother of computer programming.

    • Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      15 days ago

      Yup. She did write a lot, mind you, but not really to be published. Her father ran a publishing house and I think she wrote a childrens verse for him when she was a kid but otherwise it was journals and imaginative stuff as a kid. The first thing she properly wrote was, indeed, Frankenstein. If memory serves.

  • Kowowow@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    15 days ago

    Naturally I’d try to be supportive but it would be hard not to get a little competitive if you knew the long term outcome along the lines of “I need to step up my game”