Hacker reverse engineers his Samsung TV and finds on-device AI listening for your dog and baby, watching what you watch, and borrowing your soundbar’s mic if the TV doesn’t have one. Then OpenAI banned him for reverse-engineering it.
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Hacker reverse engineers his Samsung TV and finds on-device AI listening for your dog and baby, watching what you watch, and borrowing your soundbar’s mic if the TV doesn’t have one. Then OpenAI banned him for reverse-engineering it.
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Once again, theres an amazing amount of ethical ai use out there but apparently nigh nobody cares about that
Ethical from the start you mean? Trained on data with the blessing of the owner?
There are, yes. TONS of tiny models, a few large ones.
LLMs themselves aren’t the issue, its the corporations/capitalism itself causing the problems, as is tradition.
First of all, yes, and also not all ai has to be generative or llms. Theres also a lot of other ai that was done before openai fucked everything up.
When we say AI, we generally mean the LLMs. It’s become a marketing term for them.
Obviously, we used neural networks and such ethically for a long time.
The problem isnt those, it’s the mass harvesting of data, the endless copyright breaches, the stealing of peoples work. All to resell it. While ruining the planet environmentally, economically and it has fucked with the way people think.
I mean yeah thats true but ethical llms are still completely possible but nobodys investing into it
Because it’s about money. That’s it.
There’s no money to be made from ethical ones, you need enough people willing to give you the rights to their stuff for free, because you would not be able to give royalties to them all.
We already see how unsustainable it is currently with the grand theft models and are just waiting for the bubble to burst.
AI can fuck off and die, we dont need it.
So, you’re against the Wayback Machine?
Libraries are for reading.
Well, their books are, yes.
But, the similarities largely stop there, in this instance. Training “AI” on literature isn’t at all similar to a single person checking out a book/magazine/dvd/et al, and that’s not even getting into the fact that the aforementioned fuckers are destroying tons of physical copies IRL to “train” their bullshit bots.
“AI” ≈ libraries? Pff. We would be so lucky. 🥲
When y’all complained about them leeching Anna’s Archive, the legal approach you demanded means buying and shredding one copy of any book they use. They can’t resell the book or share their scan because that’s piracy, which Lemmy cares deeply about in this context and only this context.
Training is transformative. A program that can retell Shrek in the style of The Hobbit is not even the same category of thing as either original work. What a network is and does cannot be a substitute, unless the Silmarillion had more swamp ogres than I’ve heard.
Don’t apologize for them —especially not with shit argument points and implied shame. Fuck off with that shit. None of this is a consequence of “our” actions, and your stance is more simp than solid. Nah. Hard pass.
Not an argument.
I’ll say. Wrangling cats is easier than whatever this is.
Additional sneering is worse.
If you want these companies to do things the right, proper, and legal way - that means shredding books. That’s the only way to get a scan and “own” it. Blame our stupid laws for not offering better options. Mostly books scanned this way are mass-market paperbacks, because nothing popular is rare, and most important things are fairly popular. This is inseparable from your rights over any physical media you own, and the dumbest possible thing we could do is make copyright worse just because you’re sour about a chatbot.
You should want better options for these companies. They’d love to brag about how many niche titles they’ve preserved, if they could just plop their scans onto Archive.org. That’s a better end than a lot of oddities would get, languishing on a shelf until they hit the trash.
So you think website scraping should be illegal? When LinkedIn was trying to prevent other people from scraping their website (and lost the court around it too), you were on LinkedIn’s side?,
Yeah - my zdoom models.
It’s far too late to put those horses back in the barn.
“we can’t get rid of the Atlantic slave trade it’s here to stay”
Ok buddy
Lemmy: “If we tiny speck of people make a moral stand and don’t use LLMs, they’ll give up their stolen content and go away!”
The theft is done, over, you’re not going to get those horses back in the barn no matter how high your horse is. Do you imagine that on some glorious day the entire planet will legislate wiping all training data and say, “Sorry. Let’s not do that.” Sure. Soon as we get textbook communism working for 8,000,0000,000 people.
Bullshit like this is why I left lemmy last year. It feels like a bunch of children arguing over their personal version of a perfect world. Bluesky was kinda nice, people with some age and experience and an understanding of real politik. Kinda vanilla as well, but cutesy little quips like yours weren’t met with much acclaim.
Go reinvent the world kid, with no understanding of history or human nature. While you’re at it, maybe every museum on the planet can send every artifact back to the original peoples. Uh, gotta put a timeline on “original”, but it’s the right thing to do! Good luck.
Well, maybe you should leave Lemmy again.
I had commented many times on other platforms as to how insular lemmy is. “Believe as we believe or fuck off!”
Well…
And then we’ll see a post about how to grow the community.
Oh yeah please leave again!!!
We’re gonna need a bigger barn
The 10% of ethical AI use is drowned out by the other 90% of absolute liquid trash.
That’s not touching the ethics of stealing everyone’s work for your AI then selling it back to them.
That’s not touching the ethics of aggressive Data Center build outs that threaten people down to their actual health.
That’s not touching the fascist supporting corporations that run and own the frontier AI models.
That’s not touching the lack of those frontier AI company’s ethics. They operate like it’s the fuckng wild west.
How can you possibly have a victim complex about this?
Yeah, it’s the “selling it back to them” part that gets me. I don’t want to outlaw scraping, because then the Wayback Machine couldn’t function. The Wayback Machine is free, though. It’s a public service. (One which is very much needed, IMO.) If, instead, the Internet Archive required that you pay for a subscription in order to use it, I think most people would be very upset, and rightfully so.
You want to scrape the Web to feed your LLM? Cool! Make it an open-weight model.
Right?! And people act like you’re an asshole when you bring this up.
The nerve of some people, and the critical lack of awareness at the people picking all of our pockets.
That’s also not counting the ethics of barraging every site on the internet with a DDOS-level surge of webcrawlers scraping up data for AI training, to the point where every significant website out there has to implement anti-AI countermeasures in order to just stay operational.
There’s so much bullshit with LLMs that needs to be cleaned up, regulated, and outright outlawed before I’m gonna sit here and praise these chucklefucks for opening a kind of Pandoras box with basically no thought.
I wonder what % of actions being ethical would be needed from Germany before WW2 would be considered unjustified.
I’m willing to bet that 10% of the actions the Nazis did (note: out of all the actions the German govt did, including enforcing laws, running trains/buses, collecting taxes, building infrastructure etc) were ethical, and yet the Nazis were still obviously the bad guys in WW2.
„Hitler wasn’t all bad; he built the Autobahn” is one of the things some right wingers actually say.
Exact same vein of arguments the AI band make.
This comment doesn’t even make sense in the context? The danger lies in unethical use. It’s also unregulated.
Don’t forget, there was a very brief time period when Google was ethical. How long did that last?
I think the point is people like the person hacking Samsung smart TVs with AI should get some credit, purist “AI bad” takes don’t account for this. Also if there’s regulation it’s likely to start by targeting good uses like that one. Fuck OpenAI though.
1 good thing coming of it, doesn’t wipe away all the fucking harm AI is causing. If AI never blew up, the world would be better off. It’s introduced a whole host of problems we didnt need, just for the sake of a few people getting richer.
So what though? You don’t have the option of getting rid of it, and it’s a technology, not a person. Nuance is called for, especially if the alternative is refusing to acknowledge good things people do with it, or focusing condemnation on “AI” as a monolithic entity instead of the particular people and companies doing harm with it. Case in point, OpenAI banning this person.
I’m sorry, but AI generally remains “bad” until regulation takes place, community concerns about data centres are properly considered and protections are put in place. Right now, billionaires and corporations are running amok and that usually doesn’t end well.
You don’t need to blame math or people who make use of it for the abuses of billionaires and corporations.
You’ve lost me.
Longer than LLMs have been around, actually
People care, it’s just not worth the cost
Yeah, and it’s in China.
Such as?
Such as basically everything done with ai before 2022
There is zero use of “ethical AI” out there.