Wake the fuck up, samurai. We’ve got a freezer to defrost.
Also, isn’t Bartmoss’s corpse in a fridge?
Yes. Despite being the guy who brought down the entire internet, the discovery of his body was a giant ‘meh’ for some fucking reason. I dunno… I mean if we discovered the actual identity of Jack the Ripper it would probably make more news than that.
I mean technically attacking people’s food supplies is super fucked. But doing it by fucking with internet connected refrigerators has got to be a massive blaring alarm that we are no longer fit for survival.
When I was a kid I saw a batman movie where the joker was in some high-tech, high security prison, and all it took was a simple hacker to unlock his cell and let him out.
Even then I knew, one manual deadbolt is all it would have taken to prevent this…
There is a reason why redundancies are critical.
These corporations that produce this technotrash are the ones not fit for survival. A fridge doesn’t fucking need a computer it in at all, let alone one connected to the internet.
I get the sentiment and the insecure connectivity is pure incompetence, but commercial refrigeration is not the same as consumer refrigeration, with much more complex controls required to deal with managing large energy consumption, irregular and frequent access, variable amount of goods being held, and usually mandatory persisted logging and automatic alarms, sometimes being sent centrally and 24 hourly to meet strict food regulations.
Nowhere do fridges need to send off data to meet any regulation.
Nowhere do they need to be remotely controlled. Period.
This is not something that showed up in the 21st century. Grocery stores have been successfully refrigerating things since before personal computers even existed.
I am sorry but no. I spent nearly 20 years working in the control industry and specifically for a global company that provided some of these control and monitoring systems. Tracing food from production through to end consumers has strict industry standards that need to be met in most developed countries. For example FDA CFR 21 in the US and the EC regulations in the EU which all have track and trace requirements. This is key if there are any issues at any point of the supply chain so that the appropriate entities can respond in the interest of ensuring the health safety of the public.
You are probably right on this regard, sometimes some regulations can have a big impact on how things function. However, do we really need to have the thing itself exposed to the internet? Can we not have a better architecture to have the same thing, but safe? The technology is there, is just a matter of doing it right
The internet connection doesn’t bother me a bit. The lack of Network 101 level security does. An easy fix, throw the fridges on a local VLAN, firewall that off from the internet except for communication to the monitoring endpoint’s IP.
Of course someone on lemmy today let me know that it’s easy to hack a corporate firewall, so there’s that expertise to consider. 🙄
You know DAMN well there are FAR better ways to do that than to connect the fucking freezers to the Internet.
This whole push from you is weirdly ignorant of how to actually do things, let alone safely.
When energy was cheap. Listen to the guy, he knows what he’s talking about.
When energy was cheap… You realize:
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Freezers and fridges need to stay cold around the clock. Right? You cannot turn them off sometimes unless you want things to spoil. So… you’re not saving shit by making them “smart”.
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The efficiency gains over the years from refrigeration systems have NOT come from making them “smart”. It’s from making the part that actually uses a ton of energy more efficient.
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Nowhere do any of those rules require remote administration of the fridges and freezers. Only getting data OUT of them. Securely getting read-only data out of systems has been a solved problem for decades.
So again, connecting them to the internet in any way that allows administration is unnecessary. Completely. Utterly. Now, remember that “unnecessary” does not mean, “utterly useless in all ways”. The point is that it does not justify the risks. The risks that are already showing you how stupid the idea is.
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Looking at it coldly going by the selection pressure of the market, they almost certainly are more fit for survival than a company that isn’t finding an excuse to spy on you (even more) and sell your data.
Then we need to change the environment so that shady spying fucks cannot make money.
Is your refrigerator running?
Actually yes, it’s about halfway down the block screaming something about election interference.
Anyway the conspiracy theory that Bush was responsible for 9/11 clearly doesn’t hold water because look how clueless he is at the moment he’s informed of the ✈️
Nah he’s just clueless all the time
thats just his face, man.
And why would he need to be interrupted in the middle of a very important kindergarten reading session to be informed of something that he already knew about?
Anyway I’m in the camp of believing that these were locally-planned controlled demolitions, to cover up trillion dollar losses in some financial blah blah, but I still think that particular man up there posing as president had no idea about any of it until it happened.
At the very least, dozens of bomb techs spent months tearing into walls and planting explosives at night, then fixing it all up. And thousands of people working there didn’t notice anything? And that only addresses on part of the thing. Thousands of people would have had to be in on a conspiracy and never in human history have thousands of people been able to keep their mouth shut.
There were indeed witnesses of the work going on in the basement of the World trade center. And most industries operate through compartmentalization, in which the lowest-paid worker grunts actually doing the work have no idea exactly what they’re installing. They’re given just enough info & tools to get the job done. That’s how secrets are kept. By one incredibly powerful guy at the top not telling anyone below him why they’re performing a task.
And why would he need to be interrupted in the middle of a very important kindergarten reading session to be informed of something that he already knew about?
Why do family members call each other when they get home from travels? They know the plane is going to land safely at the airport.
Maybe your family does that. Mine doesn’t. Out of sight out of mind. I don’t care if anybody lands in their airplane. 99.9999% likelihood that their airplane landed just fine & their lives continue with fewer unnecessary interruptions without calling everyone they know to inform them their friggin airplane landed.
OK sure. How about receiving confirmation that the event that is about to shape the entire century has happened? I’m not asking about your family, I’m asking you to consider people’s motivations of their actions based on more relatable situations.
And why would he need to be interrupted in the middle of a very important kindergarten reading session to be informed of something that he already knew about?
To know that nothing stopped the thing he thought was going to happen, from happening.
Why did a secret service agent interrupt Bush’s important kindergarten reading session to tell him that airplanes plowed into the World trade center WHEN BUSH SUPPOSEDLY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT IT. That’s what we’re talking about here. I’m saying Bush DIDN’T already know about it, that’s why his secret service agent whispered the news in his ear, cuz it was kinda a big deal.
Responsible in the same way TSA would be responsible for a hijacking today. They had enough information to be able to stop it, but failed to do so. Anything beyond that gives superhuman competence (which is what conspiracy theories want, a world where someone is in control, even if they’re in control for evil)
He already forgot the conspiracy.
Not like all those grinning idiot fools at the wh correspondents dinner…
Some of you have never had to remember to log the fridge temps after dodging a thrown patient urinal. At my old hospital facilities maintenance used to call us and tell us to close the fridge sometimes. 😂 That said, it could absolutely regulate internally and just send off read-only logs periodically for FM to use in dispatching.
Second attack? Out of the loop, is it still the current date as the password or…?
EDIT: sounds like it, searched by post title “fridge” and sorted by new. Either that or it’s the exact same ongoing “attack” being described.
Some European fridge manufactures made commercial fridges that allowed businesses to remotely monitor and adjust temps. Problem is that they are connected to the internet with no security what-so ever. Why they have to be connected to the internet is just my guess but it could be because they go through the manufacturers servers first before allowing the end user to access like alot of smart devices back in ye old days.
Well someone figured out how to find these devices on the web and take control. Problem is now that these fridges cant be updated in the traditional sense to patch the vulnerability. The software is embedded into the control board so the only way to patch them is replacing or physically modifying the board which requires a tech to go out to each site and physically swap em all.
So this will keep happening until everyone disconnects their fridges from the network which as i guess means you cannot monitor or change temps as easily or every model is updated.
RIP large supermarkets with their hundreds of fridges i guess.
Well, I already figured all of that. “find these devices on the web” is actually taking a piece of text on the login page and pasting it into a search engine. I was wondering if it’s still the same “vulnerability” of the password being the current date because this was in news a month or so ago. I then edited my comment to say that I am under impression that it is, in fact, still the same thing.
SAVE THE HOT POCKETS!!!
