Just seen a reddit thread where people were saying the disabled should be forcibly taken from our homes and put in concentration camps or institutionalised. Why? To save money. It would be cheaper to cram 10,000 disabled people together in one area than allow 10,000 individual homes to be used. Apparently this would be a “win-win for everyone,” and it’s unfair to allow the wages of workers to be used to support disabled people in their own homes.

Then there is the endless refrain of how disability benefits should be cut to much lower levels, even though they’re barely enough to survive on as it is. Workers complaining that their wages aren’t enough to live on, and so it’s only fair that disabled people get much less. If that amount isn’t enough for you to live on then how is it enough for a disabled person to live on? It’s not like disabled people have cheaper living expenses, actually studies show it’s more expensive to live as a disabled person.

Being told that us receiving medical treatment is a waste of NHS resources, and that disability is mind over matter, if we tried harder we could work just the same as everyone else.

Considering how nazified the world is getting it won’t be long before we’re being rounded up and herded to our deaths.

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    at the root of it, to excuse capitalism you already have to accept the premise a person’s value is their productivity. those who can’t provide it are useless, so why should we give them the means to survive? – this is where a lot of it starts and ends, and a lot of these people just out of hand even reject the idea of any social security net for people who cannot pay it back or ‘produce value’

    then even if you are a lib who believes in social security, there is often already the cultural perception of ‘welfare’ beneficiaries who don’t actually have need for these social programs, or mooches.

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      the social darwinism in fascism is to me like racism between a ‘moderate’ and a KKK member. one at the least admits it and is transparently awful. the other is quiet and ‘polite’ about it, or even packages the hatred in a way more ‘logical’ to many others. repulsive both ways.

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    The answer is simple:

    The proletariat and the other classes are not seen as humans by the bourgeoisie, but another means of production. So they’ll be more than happy to throw out the broken tools to be replaced.

    Unfortunately, we have too many class traitors who embrace the propaganda. Even this tread have one.

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    a life of indoctrination about “bootstraps” and the need to “fight for your survival as g-d intended” and the mind virus of “social darwinism” make some people to believe that disabled people are something that shouldn’t exist, because the reasoning probably is something like:

    “if you can’t even work as a common human that uses its own limbs to keep ahead, you’re a failure as living being, and god doesn’t make mistakes, so you’re some evolutionary anomaly / devil invention that needs to be removed, because “wasting” resources in you is even probably a sin, you can find something in the bible giving testimony against your existence”

    is probably something on those lines: a mix of “someone that even can’t reach its bootstraps doesn’t even deserve to live” and pseudoscience trying to assimilate us as animals that just kill the “defective” babies for efficiency and proper resource allocation (and because gibs are a sin against the economy)

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    This is a worse phenomenon than any of us realize. There are tiers even among the disabled as to which disorders are palatable. I guarantee way too many of us believe hollywood bullshit or otherwise about the likes of BPD, ASPD, NPD, paraphilic disorders, or spout casual bigotry regarding them.

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      For real, I’m autistic and was bullied by people with ADHD and diabetes. They try to deal with their insecurity about their disability by placing themselves above other disabled people

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      i’d say more on that level about mental illness:

      1. the pathologizing of individuals especially criminals as special ‘perverse’ or ‘degenerate’ characters is something you see quite a lot, and a lot of the way the hyper-individualized/asocial west responds to crime is “wow, you can’t trust anyone, they could be an evil psycho demon” (your point here about ASPD and NPD is right, because it’s really this is shorthand for “Evil Person Disorder”, maybe other people here can talk more about antipsych and DSM-5 categorizations like this but even aside from the health aspect, just looking at how people use these labels in vernacular and mainstream perception is awful)

      2. a metaphysical or idealist understanding of reality sometimes interacts with deeply embedded christian beliefs about ‘sinful thoughts,’ i genuinely think it is a major reason intrusive thoughts or paraphilias in the west are so taboo to discuss but also so like, horrible for those who harbor thoughts because they themselves then have to also deal with trains of thought about how they are evil and punish themselves in their own mind

      so yes that’s another thing for other disabilities/mental illnesses, apart from what others have fairly described about how fascist beliefs about social darwinism only exemplify the mindsets capitalism’s validity is predicated on (productivity = value of a person). i think the resentment and paranoia among people towards mental illness is a little bit different from the like “devil’s advocate here, why don’t we just kill all ‘useless’ people” but it’s similarly a symptom of such a fragmented and atomized society, and it’s also good to redirect discussions about criminality or societal dysfunction into “bad apples” to be culled

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    Because these dipshits judge a human being’s worth by their ability to do labor. To them, if they can’t produce value via labor, they are not worth keeping alive.

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    because all post holocaust resources went to colonizing palestine.

    i had a holocaust education class in high school. we happened to have a special education class next to us. whenever we heard noises from the class near (god forbid a bunch of disabled kids dont stay completely still for 8 hours a day) our teacher wouldnt hesitate to stop and comment and use slurs and berate the kids. when we were literally learning about the dangers of degrading people and seeing them as only obstacles in utility.

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    There’s a sentiment, especially in the Mediterranean where I live, where people think a lot of people are on disability benefits but are just cheating the system. Which might be true for certain cases, but is not the rule.

    From my work I know it’s really easy to be certified for disability when it doesn’t involve anyone paying anything to anybody (e.g. parking permits, access to special passageways/elevators/toilets, easements on school tests/exams, etc). Because the logic there is, it’s better to be wrong than to make somebody’s life worse. But here is where a lot of people actually do take advantage maliciously. For example, recently there was a scandal where the majority of students who got 100% in the final exams (determining entry into university) where students allowed extra time due to learning difficulties. And other students were complaining about the unfairness of this system.

    These instances are twisted by neoliberal politicians and then extrapolated to financial safeties (don’t call them benefits, it makes it sound like a privilege) given to disabled people. Where, again from my work, I know that it’s actually extremely difficult to be approved for. The process requires up to a year and involves multiple panels of doctors, medical/psych evaluations and several hoops that you need to jump through every few years. Plus a pretty incompetent and ridiculous bureaucracy.

    This false perception is nothing more than a form of propaganda, aiming to cut social welfare programs in favour of financing capital.

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    Considering how nazified the world is getting it won’t be long before we’re being rounded up and herded to our deaths.

    Yep. That’s exactly what the ruling class is planning to do, and with the help of the high salaried workers too. It’s so frustrating to hear communists say that the high salaried workers are proletarians and therefore part of our movement. Reddit is filled with skilled workers who are “middle/upper class” and what these people detest above all else are the people who need social assistance. They view us as “life unworthy of life.”

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      Which is nuts, because disability is the only group that anyone can join at any time. Everyone should have solidarity towards us, even if only out of personal interest.

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      i have some empathy for the middle class because theyre suffering too but they would be more than willing to torture a thousand puppies to keep their businesses as long as it happened geographically far away from them and only the conservatives suppported it.

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      I have met average person IRL. They are 100% ableist scums. Not because it’s their human nature. But because the class conditions under capitalism coupled with the propaganda that “disabled people are freeloaders on tax-payer handouts” makes them malicious towards disabled people.

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        Honestly baffles me sometimes. I had a conversation with my dad at one point where he argued for making it harder to get disability payments, and that most people on them should have them removed. The irony being that he has had a disability and been on payments for the last three decades. The lack of class consciousness amongst people in western society is insane (or maybe he is conscious, and just a willing class traitor?).