• Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    5 hours ago

    We should also stop everyone who is good at sports from playing sports, because they obviously have a genetic advantage. The only people who should be allowed to play sports are our weakest, most uncoordinated dorks.

  • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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    9 hours ago

    except for competitors and some of their family members i’ve never heard anyone care about womens’ sports except for:

    usa winning the world cup

    that wnba drama in the last couple years

    and all this transphobia that’s astroturfed as fuck.

  • Hestia [she/her, fae/faer]@hexbear.netM
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    12 hours ago

    If it were we wouldn’t have any women’s leagues because there would be no need for them.

    How is a Woman™ supposed to compete with a trans woman in chess? Clearly we need to distinguish the two and only let trans women play against men.

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Chess has the dubious honor of housing some of the most spirited debate about gender segregation in sports. Women are allowed in the conventional tournaments, right? They’re either opens or invitationals. There were sparingly few women, however. They were made to feel unsafe in chess clubs and tournaments. People who develop poor interpersonal skills will take their frustrations out on them and then women to this day get DMs from their opponents (even when they are underage girls in the presence of their parents).

      So they began hosting women only tournaments. They created women’s master titles - WGM (woman grandmaster) and the like. They have a lower requirement correlated with the lower turnout of women and so they don’t need to go compete in the open tournaments to hit their norms (beat a standing title holder to qualify for the title). You can almost call it a marketing effort more than it is the way things are ™. Well, use your imagination to determine what people have to say about it. Women aren’t as smart as men so they need their own chess tournaments. Why are men disproportionately represented in chess grandmasters? Women need chess tournaments to be woke or whatever.

      But if that were it, then it wouldn’t be so hotly debated. You’d have an FAQ on the FIDE website and call it a day. You also have the reasonable arguments from women who hold the titles or otherwise participate in the ecosystem. Alex Botez had a video discussing it with her friends and said something to the effect of being embarrassed of her woman master title because she believed it encouraged women to be mediocre and not shoot for the real master’s titles. Then the counterargument is that without these titles and tournaments you’re not going to have as many women in the opens. You could feed a women’s chess club into a regular chess club. Women are empowered, perhaps not to the top, but through the beginning. But then you ask are they placated and made to feel less ambitious because they have these environments. So this makes for an interesting perspective.

      In that context, trans women would benefit tremendously from the protection of a women’s tournament in very similar ways to cis women. Even some sort of “what if she makes it weird” argument falls flat because any woman there is capable of making it weird. The trans woman is not uniquely equipped to cause drama. A trans woman who would otherwise be excluded from the sport would find a safe space where the introduction to chess is more likely to be LGBT friendly and progressive, she feeds into a normal chess club with a couple bona fides, and she feels more capable of navigating an open tournament. At least that’s one school of thought. And the other school of thought is cynical to the idea not because she’s trans, but because she’ll be complacent in an open tournament and perpetuate stereotypes of being a woman.

      Even a trans woman stomping a women’s tournament enters into that fierce and ongoing argument with the reasonable backing of other women successful in the sport arguing that there’s no reason to feel limited by being women and that superior chess can speak for itself. They should instead attempt to argue with each other as candidates for the chess world championship.

    • agentant [any]@hexbear.net
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      5 hours ago

      Obviously society would never produce structures to reinforce patriarchal views on sex and gender. That would be absurd. Women are clearly more emotional and thus shouldn’t be able to vote, the law says so! /s

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    13 hours ago

    Can someone share some links so that I can be scientifically educated and/or sensitised on this matter?

  • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    14 hours ago

    I’ve even heard “leftist” people criticize people that say associating with conservatives and maga people (ie racists) is beyond the pale. Because these “leftists” have friends and family that are conservative and maga 😂

    Like dude. You’re just an aesthetically liberal right winger.

  • Carcharodonna [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    18 hours ago

    Any time I see “biological woman” (to describe cis women) or “biological male” (to describe trans women) used like this, it’s pretty clear to me the person using it is a rabid transphobe. Not only is it objectively wrong, but it’s clearly designed to try to dehumanize and delegitimize trans women.

    Edit: wording