whoops no this is UC Davis in 2011. the cop pepper spraying these nonviolent student protestors filed for worker’s compensation claiming “psychiatric damage” due to having his name released and won more than $38k USD in compensation.

  • emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    61·
    1 year ago

    people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains

    no they weren’t. about 300 people died in clashes outside the square, more than half of which were PLA and police.

    The Myth of Tiananmen and the price of a passive press | Columbia Journalism Review

    The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie. | Mango Press

    https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist

      • robinn2 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        55·
        1 year ago

        You get a well-cited post (including a QiaoCollective masterpost with tons of sources) and come back with this thought-terminating garbage? I’ll engage, and then provide more specific sources…

        Your “source” (it doesn’t even approach this) is based on, 1984 an anti-semitic pile of garbage written by a Hitlerite colonial cop. Let’s see the evidence: Lutz creates contradictions where they are none (“nobody was killed” is not something anybody says, people were killed in outer areas but not in Tiananmen Square (mayor of Beijing (Chen Xitong) stated in a public report in the same year that “According to the information we have so far gathered, more than 3,000 civilians were wounded and over 200, including 36 college students, died during the riot” (not in Tiananmen Square though as this was evacuated). There isn’t really a piece of evidence or any convincing arguments in the post except for the “martyred soldier” quote, which I copied and google searched to find that the only results were this same article, so that’s out the window. Just terrible work.

        Sources:

        • out of his personal experience the correspondent alleges the government denied death in other areas which we already have proven was false

        Why does it matter whether the deaths occurred in surrounding areas? 1: It puts a wrench in the Western narrative immediately 2: It strongly suggests that the fight was not a “massacre” but a battle between opposing groups, in which PLA soldiers were burned alive and hung [Content Warning] by CIA-supported and duped protestors (hardly invoking the idea of a massacre)

        OP also linked video of police running over protestors in the U.S., which we just learned didn’t happen in Tiananmen Square. There is no equivalence, and this is not a good thing for your position. Now I know you won’t be able to refute any of the sources I linked (judging by the fact that you called a well-sourced thread addressing your exact complaints “astroturfing” because you’re completely incapable of even coming close to a good point), so go ahead with your snarky response. Nobody here is falling for it.

      • emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        45·
        1 year ago

        responding to the Columbia Journalism Review article (by the WaPo’s Beijing bureau chief who was in the square) with an unsourced tone poem inspired by Jorjor Well, you don’t look like a shit-eating clown at all

        The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

        What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.

        https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/