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    OnlyFans and high school teacher absolutely do not mix. There is a 0% chance one will be able to properly educate students in that environment.

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      If only we paid them a living wage so they wouldn’t have to seek additional income to survive.

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        If only we paid them a living wage


        ST. LOUIS…Her yearly teaching salary was $42,000

        In 2016, the median household income in the City of St. Louis was $42,000. source (expand the dropdown: What does this indicator measure’)

        She made as much teaching as the median household income in the area by herself (completely ignoring the rest of her household). Since when is that not a living wage?

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            I’m not the person you are replying to, but I take your point and agree with you in principle. However, you didn’t really address their point that $42k is the median household income in her area. So at least half the households (not just individuals) are trying it. But I don’t know how it’s working out for them.

            Perhaps that region is quite affordable or has a low cost of living or is crime ridden, idk.

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          Hello!
          I couldn’t get your link to work to check your source, but data commons said the median personal income for St Loius in 2022 was around 35k.
          I believe the data came from the US census, so it includes students and retirees. It is probably safe to assume that household median has gone up since 2016. She probably earned a living wage, but not the living comfortably wage I believe teachers deserve. (Not trying to start an arguement, just trying to be helpful.) Have a good day!

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            Because real people have to deal with the real world as it is, not as they imagine it ought to be in their heads.

            No amount of “it shouldn’t be like this” is going to convince a school full of kids in the heat of puberty to behave under those conditions.

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              Like how the real world paid her only slightly more than a intro fry cook salary to teach hundreds of kids so their parents could go be productive members of society for 8 hours, so she looked for other ways to supplement her income?

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                  Only one of them is a problem and it’s the one where the teacher can’t pay her fucking bills.

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                    Students finding those pictures and sharing them around causes significant behavioural problems in the school, regardless of what you think should happen.

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              Ok then pull the stick out of your asshole and realize your morality isn’t relevant.

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              I’m going to get downvoted for this, but you’re speaking truth here. It sucks that she had to find something to supplement her income, and it is certainly a problem. That said, her starting an OnlyFans page was a poor choice on her part for all the reasons you laid out, and I’ll add one more: it increases the chance for her to be sexually assaulted by either a student, parent, or coworker. Also a very big problem. I’m not saying any of this is fair or just, it’s the reality of the world we live in. Fair or unfair, just or unjust, the choices we all make have repercussions. I don’t think it’s “fair” that she needed to supplement her income with a side hustle; but she’s not the only teacher who with a side gig, and most of them don’t wind up on OF. I don’t think it’s “just” that she was fired, but the kids at the school finding that content would’ve created a giant mess and possible legal situation for the school (which takes money from the already meager pot teacher pay comes from, i.e. tax revenue). Until the problems we all agree exist are addressed (sure, hold your breath waiting for that), the current reality simply cant be ignored out of idealism.

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        Yes because “I’m 18!” Really works, (or most parental controls.)

        I was 8 or 9 when I discovered my dad’s password book. Kids can and will find a way.

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            I didn’t say it was.

            But if you really think highschool students aren’t going to find their teachers on the internet… social media, OF… whatever… then you’re brain dead.

            As for if it’s appropriate or not… let me ask you, would it be appropriate for her to say, put on a strip show for her students, while they wanked off to it?

            Cuz that’s exactly what happened.

            Further consider the number of times that teachers have been terminated (or calls for that,) after shitty social media posts (racism, sexism, bigotry. The list is long.)

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              But if you really think highschool students aren’t going to find their teachers on the internet… social media, OF… whatever… then you’re brain dead.

              But, again, that’s not her problem.

              As for if it’s appropriate or not… let me ask you, would it be appropriate for her to say, put on a strip show for her students, while they wanked off to it?

              That’s not at all what happened, so this isn’t relevant.

              Cuz that’s exactly what happened.

              No it isn’t.

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                That’s not at all what happened, so this isn’t relevant.

                Cuz that’s exactly what happened.
                

                No it isn’t.

                She was outed by people who knew her. She thinks it’s a video with her husband’s face, but that’s not necessarily true. You don’t know that students weren’t the ones who recognized her. Any identifying tatoos that might be visible… her voice. Or maybe they were lurking on her other social media and recognized his face.

                But at this point, I guarantee you, after it got out… her students definitely have seen her. Regardless of whether or not her then-students knew or found out, her current students absolutely have. or at least, a few of them. This is not the kind of thing that just goes away; and she hasn’t tried to make it go away. in fact she’s monetized the drama.

                It is a bit odd that another school hired her without knowing about the account, though. That school needs to have a look at it’s screening process.

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              But they don’t know to look for it do they, and it’s not like it’s listed under her name so there no more likely to find her than any other OF content creator

              Maybe a co worker is on the site, statistically probably some are, how would I check for that other than to go through every single profile to see if one of them is theirs. Plus I have no necessary reason to suspect that one would be, so why would I do that?

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                You think teenagers aren’t on OF?

                As for being discovered, it’s probably just random chance. It happens. It could have been anyone. Students, coworkers. Parents. Friends.

                There’s ways of identifying people online, and plenty of weirdos dox or try to dox sex workers.

                Once she got doxxed, all bets are off, though.

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                  But she wasn’t discovered it was apparent that made the complaint, how did they find it? 🤔. So the children demonstrably didn’t know.

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            Punish?

            This whole thing is a consequence of her initial action.

            There is a direct and detrimental impact to her ability to do her job, and you’re forgetting that aspect of it.

            Or do you think the school should wait until a student starts stalking her? Or having a constant barrage of sexual harassment? Would you be okay with her bringing 18 yo students on for content?

            She didn’t break any laws, per se. And we shouldn’t shame her for sex work. Even so, actions have consequences and she professes to have known this was “a risk” going into it.

            The schools can’t undo what she decided to do. The schools choices are to either ignore it and hope more shit doesn’t hit the fan, or terminate her employment. Keep in mind, if another scandal comes out, the whole “the school knew about it” thing is going to make liability an absolute bitch in lawsuits.

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              Sounds like victim blaming to me. If a student stalks or sexually harassed her, you punish the student.

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                you’re right, if it happens. The problem here is that it’s unnecessary drama that is inevitably going to eat up the school’s legal defense fund; and probably a lot of other funding. You can’t really blame the school for wanting to not deal with that.

                particularly when the school does discipline the student and the parents sue. Even if the school wins, the school looses.

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              The only reason this is impacting her ability to do her job is because other people are making it a problem for her. If people harassed me at my job and my job fired me for it, that wouldn’t be fair. But she’s a woman expressing sexual freedom, of course plenty of people will hate her.

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                So… you don’t think her current students… googled her, found out this was her, and watched her content?

                Or you don’t see how that impacts her ability to teach?

                Which, brings us back to: they know, and it’s available for them to find with far less effort than you imagine. Don’t think so? Ask yourself how her channel blew up after the first time.

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                  I think parents should control their children’s access to the Internet. Teachers are allowed to have a life outside of their extremely demanding underpaid job without puritans demanding that they be a role model for children in every aspect of their lives.

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                    Your dodging the question:

                    Do you think her students aren’t aware and checking her content; or do you think it doesn’t impact her ability to teach them?

                    You’re right there’s a lot of things parents should do. It’s pretty much impossible to completely control a teenagers access, though, and entirely outside of the school’s ability to control. Particularly when students start passing them around off line.

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      There is a 0% chance one will be able to properly educate students in that environment.

      The high school teacher probably wasn’t using OnlyFans as a teaching platform. Those were two completely different environments.

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      Most adults are perfectly capable of siloing different parts of their lives, especially between work and personal lives.

      But I can see you’re probably not part of most adults and therefore it MUST be impossible for everyone else…

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        Most adults

        We are talking about highschool students here. You think they will be able to properly learn in such an environment?

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          You think they will be able to properly learn in such an environment?

          Why wouldn’t they? In middle school one of the teachers (a long time ago) did some porn and I saw the pictures. It didn’t affect my ability to learn. Seeing boobs didn’t magically make my brain stop working.

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          Ah I get it now, you must be one of those school administrators who implements asinine dress codes for girls because “It’s too distracting for the boys”

          They’ll learn just fine. Not to mention the myriad of ways of doing OF in a way that prevent IRL identification. Hell, OF has profile geo blocking as a built in feature lmao

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            Highschoolers, the people who are well known for telling the truth when presented with an ‘are you 18’ prompt when looking at porn.

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              They’d probably need to steal a credit card too, at least from what I know. I can imagine a person who is willing lie, but I don’t know if most of them would steal from their parents.

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      Right, teachers should not be human and exist on any sexual level. They should be automatons devoting their every second of life to their students for 42K a year.

      Give me a break.

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      If you just read the article, though, you will see that her new job has nothing to do with teaching. She was fired for “violating the social media policy” after five days, she says they won’t elaborate further.

      She says she was also up-front about her side gig. But how exactly do you put your OnlyFans experience on your resume? “Internet Personality”?

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      Dude.

      Several years from now you’ll be able to tell your phone to make a sexy video of your school librarian, a toaster, and a maths equation. How will anyone get anything done?

      As a society we need to realise that producing questionable material is not shameful, and consider I stead that accessing compromising content concerning the school librarian may be appropriate.

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        Who will these people with sexy school librarians my school library was like 75 years old and an absolute crank.

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      The issue is how parents would react to it more than the students caring themselves.

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      OnlyFans and high school teacher absolutely do not mix. There is a 0% chance one will be able to properly [indoctrinate] students in that environment.

      There, fixed that for you!

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        How ever did you manage to crack the code? You must be very smart to have figured out educate means indoctrinate. Now the CIA is gonna hunt you down to prevent the information from spreading.

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      Holy fucking Christ Lemmy is full of some of the stupidest people.

      This was clearly a joke, people. About how you wouldn’t be able to educate ON OnlyFans.

      For fucks sake.