Interested in getting a feel for what people may be likely to do IF reddit reverses their decision regarding API access, or reduces access fees to a reasonable level and 3rd party apps remain sustainable.
While I know the chances of this are extreeeemely slim, until 1st July there is an ever so slight chance this could still happen.
From my perspective, the community harm is done, and those who have left prior to July 1 have left due to principles, not because their app stopped working. As such, I’d be inclined to think most of those migrators would stay here in the fediverse.
But would we see a mass exodus back to reddit if the changes were undone? It’s easy to say no, but if it went back to operations as relatively normal, it may be easy to justify going back for some users.
I’d like to think I wouldn’t go back. I’ve deleted content and account from reddit. I’ll be happy here so long as there is enough userbase for some discussion.
Meh. I’m staying here. Reddit has been getting worse. The future should be federated, not centralized, so hopefully that stuff Reddit just did has very little chance of happening again.
Imagine we’re at the point where the Titanic has split in two, and the remaining portion is held afloat by trapped air. You can patch the hole made by the iceberg, but it probably won’t change my plans too much.
The damage is done. The administration at Reddit has shown they will do whatever it takes to stamp out dissent… except for actually listen to the users.
Can Reddit also un-slander the 3pa devs?
I might end up on Reddit when googling for answers but I wouldn’t go back full time. It has been very clear from the past few days that spez and co are not to be trusted. I like kbin a lot, I feel adults are having actual mature conversations instead of the insult matches that happen on Reddit. And I have contributed here more than I have in the 10 years of using Reddit.
For me, it’s not just that they screwed up the API changes, it’s that they’ve repeatedly kept doubling down since then.
It’s also … I keep thinking back to Ellen Pao. They brought her in knowing that they wanted her to get rid of FPH and Victoria, knowing that at least the FPH thing was going to make her a target of the misogynistic GamerGate haters and bringing in a woman anyway, and they deliberately and repeatedly refused to give her any public support. It was completely reprehensible, and they cheerfully scapegoated her and kicked her to the curb when it was done.
As bad as that was, I also see elements of the same thing happening here, where this is a highly unpopular change, and there’s no one else from reddit speaking up to support spez. I think they’re going to have him force through the changes and then kick him to the curb like they did Ellen. They’re not going to reverse any of the changes - it’s what they want, after all, but they’re going to let spez take all the heat and go on their merry way completely unphased.
To be completely honest, I think spez deserves this: his job as CEO is to have vision, manage public relations, and handle crises, and he’s miserably failed at all of those. He misunderstood reddit’s most valuable assets (it’s commentary and the large group of people contributing and moderating the site for free), and he literally paid the API fees for some very profitable and potentially profitable companies to suck every piece of data from reddit; then he publicly targeted small publishers who enhance reddit instead of presenting them as collateral damage of the AI wars (I suspect to avoid bringing attention to his incredible lack of vision in letting everyone freely harvest data for their own lucrative products). And he’s clearly failing in the PR and managing crises front as well. But I truly believe that everyone at reddit is perfectly happy to let spez do this thing that they want done, and then they’ll throw him away when it’s done in an attempt to appease the users.
Anyway, your question is “what will I do if reddit undoes the API changes”. Given my beliefs, I simply don’t see how I could possibly trust reddit management ever again. And trust is a really big thing with me; I don’t think I could ever go back.
Unless you’re reddit management, here to gauge user temperament, in which case I will totally return if the API changes are undone, yes, of course I will, just trust me!
Yeah, not a healthy working team there exactly.
Reddit has clearly shown their priorities. If they change the policies now, they only do it for the money, not for the users.
After Steve’s behavior and treatment of the mods and developers, I wouldn’t go back if they paid me. Even in the best case scenarios, they can’t undo the damage that’s already been done.
I’ll stay here, I don’t tolerate being treated like sh*it as they did, it’s totally unacceptable. Even if they apologized, they shown their true colors, we know they would be lying.
I came here a couple of weeks ago and since then I did my best to be involved in lemmy communities so as to not miss reddit, and you know what? It worked :)
I’m not deleting my account because I want my data first (sent a GDPR request), but I don’t really care anymore about what they do, nor I care about reddit as a platform, engagement here is much higher quality.
Still following news because it’s entertaining, I love how the community got creative with the protest.
At this point it’s not even about the API changes anymore. Spez would need to be replaced to even consider it. He’s shown what he thinks of the community, he’s made a tour of all the tech news sites outright lying and misrepresenting how users feel, he’s killed several small businesses for app developers, and is currently authorizing the removal of entire teams of mods (and locking their accounts).
All of the problems with Reddit start at the top. No band-aids are going to fix that problem. Spez is the disease, and Reddit is the rot that follows. Twitter can never recover under Elon, and Reddit will continue to decline under Spez.
I’m out. If any Lemmy/kbin admin pulls some shit like Elon or Spez, you just move to another instance. I’m done with the Silicon Valley style “burn it down for the payday” mind set because VC firms have the CEO by the balls.
With my extremely limited, northern England born n bred vocabulary - fucken could not have said it any better. +1
I am willing to die for “fucken” to replace “fucking” in the dictionary
I never really cared that much for the API. I just didn’t like the company and how its CEO behaved, and I truly enjoy watching fediverse taking off so here I am.
This is the same as me. When I first read about this issue I thought “fair enough if Reddit wants to charge for their API, they have server costs to pay”. And I didn’t use 3rd party apps.
But their behaviour since then is what makes me not want to use Reddit anymore. They clearly have no intention to treat users or mods with respect. When users are voting to close their subreddits, Reddit is forcing those subreddits open, because Reddit only cares about lining their pockets. They’re ignoring democracy when it suits them, despite the CEO saying he thinks Reddit should be more democratic (because he thought users would vote out the mods - the outcome he wants). He clearly never cared about democracy at all.
I mean sure, every business ultimately cares about money, but most businesses are smart enough to not treat their users like crap. Most businesses recognise that you have to respect your users to at least some degree if you want them to keep using your services. Reddit seems to have completely forgotten that.
I think everyone reading this from kbin or lemmy left out of principle, so they should also stay away from reddit out of principle.
Or at least try to. I haven’t been able to cut myself off from it and set up RSS feeds for subs buildapcsales and gamedeals
http://teddit.net/r/buildapcsales/?api&type=rss
http://teddit.net/r/gamedeals/?api&type=rss
To use with feedly. Also, found a lemmy instance called https://lemmit.online/c/requests that will pull content from a subreddit to lemmy and set up gamedeals, but didn’t have luck with buildapcsales
But, days of accounts is done. I don’t want to provide direct data to them anymore.
oh that boat has so sailed.
In my case? Nothing. They thoroughly burned that bridge. They would have to rebuild it, and merely returning to the status quo after showing their hand isn’t enough.
Lmao even if it weren’t just no out of principle, after spez’s comments about how Twitter under Elon is a model for Reddit to look to - why would I waste an ounce of energy on such a platform?
Imagine if your partner is abusive as fuck and took advantage of you for years, and you managed to go away from them, then they stop being abusive and say they won’t be like that again, How can you be sure that they’ll stay that way? What keeps them from acting like a total piece of shit again?