What really frustrates me about the unsubstantiated ‘Putin is controlling Trump’ rumor is that it is utterly oblivious to the decades that Washington has spent (sometimes even openly) jacking around with other countries. Imperial America gets to mess around with Guatemala, Cuba, Italy, Vietnam, El Salvador, Russia, Venezuela, Iraq, Haiti, & alibi, but Moscow possibly influencing a U.S. head of state directly is the unforgiveable sin? Really?
The frustrating part of Trump being krompromat to Russia is… the people drawing attention to it are oblivious to the foreign policy of the US for the last 100 years?!
Man, people like you come in here with the most smug attitudes like you know more than us. We actually used critical thinking to come to our conclusions and you just blindly believe what the government tells you, screaming whataboutism every time there’s a contradiction you don’t know how to resolve.
The whole Russiagate bullshit was nothing but projection. The US is and always has been interfering with other countries, always. Manipulating their elections is just the tip of the iceberg, but for you it’s just “whataboutism”.
“It doesn’t matter” is your own binary thinking projected onto others. Which is also what whataboutism as a pithy phrase thrown around is, as it is abstract thinking superimposed over real life and cannot account for how circumstances are intertwined, what is influencing what, and why those connections matter. Spend some time in a place like this and you will get a glimpse of the extent to which people put forth serious time and effort to ground in what is observed. This is not a debate bro game.
Abstractions can be a useful tool to communicate when it would otherwise be ineffective to attempt communicating the detail. They are not a replacement for what is observed and confusing them as such is a fast way to being misinformed. Can you explain what the problem is here beyond repeating an abstract debate phrase? “Whataboutism” is not an incantation. It needs to convey something useful and accurate about what is occurring.
The foreign policy of the U.S. kills an enormous amount of people. Ignorance on the part of its population is complicity. The blue maga crowd shouldn’t accuse anyone of anything before attempting to stop their own country from committing atrocities worldwide, more so when it is that country that is promoting such accusations.
Yes, something about a country (the US) terrorizing the world for decades and then allegedly being slightly on the receiving end of manipulation a little bit is not the world-ending unprecedented horror that imperialists make it out to be. Usually, your perspective requires believing that the US is a fundamentally reasonable “freedom” project that has some flaws, when in reality, it was founded on genocide, built with slavery, and has not changed much on that front since.
Let me try to put it in plain analogy now: It’s not “whataboutism” to point out that a guy who allegedly got punched is a guy who has been going around punching everyone they see on a daily basis for decades. Furthermore, if the primary source of information on the claim is the guy himself saying that someone punched him, you can understand being skeptical. If you can understand that, you can understand this.
Go ahead, ignore the fact that Russiagate was completely made up, and the fact that Russia would have preferred Clinton, and just call OP and commenters whoawhoawhatabouters rather than deal with the cognitive dissonance in your head.
What really frustrates me about the unsubstantiated ‘Putin is controlling Trump’ rumor is that it is utterly oblivious to the decades that Washington has spent (sometimes even openly) jacking around with other countries. Imperial America gets to mess around with Guatemala, Cuba, Italy, Vietnam, El Salvador, Russia, Venezuela, Iraq, Haiti, & alibi, but Moscow possibly influencing a U.S. head of state directly is the unforgiveable sin? Really?
Blue MAGA are jingoistic and believe they are better than other countries
Whoawhoawhoawhataboutism
The frustrating part of Trump being krompromat to Russia is… the people drawing attention to it are oblivious to the foreign policy of the US for the last 100 years?!
That’s what your frustrated about lol?
Man, people like you come in here with the most smug attitudes like you know more than us. We actually used critical thinking to come to our conclusions and you just blindly believe what the government tells you, screaming whataboutism every time there’s a contradiction you don’t know how to resolve.
The whole Russiagate bullshit was nothing but projection. The US is and always has been interfering with other countries, always. Manipulating their elections is just the tip of the iceberg, but for you it’s just “whataboutism”.
It really is whataboutism, by definition though.
“Putin puppets Trump around like a Jeff Dunham prop”
“But WHAT ABOUT all the election interference the US has done in other countries”
And then saying No puppet, but if he was it doesn’t matter because the US has been interfering in other countries.
You didn’t listen to a single thing I said.
“It doesn’t matter” is your own binary thinking projected onto others. Which is also what whataboutism as a pithy phrase thrown around is, as it is abstract thinking superimposed over real life and cannot account for how circumstances are intertwined, what is influencing what, and why those connections matter. Spend some time in a place like this and you will get a glimpse of the extent to which people put forth serious time and effort to ground in what is observed. This is not a debate bro game.
Abstractions can be a useful tool to communicate when it would otherwise be ineffective to attempt communicating the detail. They are not a replacement for what is observed and confusing them as such is a fast way to being misinformed. Can you explain what the problem is here beyond repeating an abstract debate phrase? “Whataboutism” is not an incantation. It needs to convey something useful and accurate about what is occurring.
The foreign policy of the U.S. kills an enormous amount of people. Ignorance on the part of its population is complicity. The blue maga crowd shouldn’t accuse anyone of anything before attempting to stop their own country from committing atrocities worldwide, more so when it is that country that is promoting such accusations.
Yes, something about a country (the US) terrorizing the world for decades and then allegedly being slightly on the receiving end of manipulation a little bit is not the world-ending unprecedented horror that imperialists make it out to be. Usually, your perspective requires believing that the US is a fundamentally reasonable “freedom” project that has some flaws, when in reality, it was founded on genocide, built with slavery, and has not changed much on that front since.
Let me try to put it in plain analogy now: It’s not “whataboutism” to point out that a guy who allegedly got punched is a guy who has been going around punching everyone they see on a daily basis for decades. Furthermore, if the primary source of information on the claim is the guy himself saying that someone punched him, you can understand being skeptical. If you can understand that, you can understand this.
Go ahead, ignore the fact that Russiagate was completely made up, and the fact that Russia would have preferred Clinton, and just call OP and commenters whoawhoawhatabouters rather than deal with the cognitive dissonance in your head.
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