• Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    81
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Nazis existing is the Nazi throwing the first punch.

    Their entire ideology is “might makes right” and extermination, they are attacking you by being a Nazi. Being a Nazi is by definition announcing your intention to do harm to the most vulnerable in our society

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      55
      ·
      5 months ago

      And there’s also one important detail.

      Why the hell should I listen to a fascists’ advice on how to defeat them? Sorry this ain’t Steven Universe, I’m not going to burst out crying and hug the nazi telling him I forgive him because I know there’s “good in him” deep down.

  • KoboldKomrade [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    81
    ·
    5 months ago

    parenti "…and those who demand instant perfection the day after the Revolution. They get up and say "Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they gonna be allowed to have their newspapers and their radio programs? Are they gonna be able to keep all their farms? The passion that some of our liberals feel the day after the Revolution; the passion and concern they feel for the fascists, the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists, who were dumping and destroying and murdering people before. Now the revolution has got to be perfect it’s got to be flawless.

    Well that isn’t my criteria. My criteria is what happens to those people who couldn’t read? What happens to those babies that couldn’t eat, that died of hunger? And there, that’s why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support…"

        • Chronicon [they/them]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          5 months ago

          I ended up listening to the entire speech. I had forgotten that this absolute gem was literally part of an off the cuff response to an audience question.

          Someone asks basically “does it make sense for us in the US to look at the Soviet Union as a model to be followed”, and he goes off on a 5 minute response encompassing 1) no, the soviet union is a very different place, very poor and destitute historically, so revolution wouldn’t look the same in the prosperous US, and 2) he covers the implication about AES countries being poor with an absolutely iconic speech about comparing these countries not to the US or europe, but to what their conditions looked like before the revolution, with several detailed and exceedingly passionate examples. then 3) he gives the quote you posted about liberals demanding perfect liberty for the fascists, 4) he mentions not supporting revolutions completely unqualifiedly/uncritically, and fighting/not supporting the “reaganite” regimes that do the opposite. 5) he encourages everyone to learn more about the unique and innovative changes in political organization that come out of AES countries, and evaluate each on its own merits and choose which we might want to emulate vs which we don’t want.

          Quite the helpful and revealing diatribe for a very “bait”-y audience question.

  • kot [they/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    66
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Terfs when Nazis talk about murdering minorities: “Guys this is valuable free speech that deserves protection”
    Terfs when someone talks about punching Nazis: “How dare you! I will protect Nazis with my life”
    If talking about punching nazis makes you more upset than when nazis talk about doing nazi shit maybe you’re just a fucking nazi.

  • EllenKelly [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    61
    ·
    5 months ago

    >So, in order to meet my personal definition of a neo-Nazi, you have to call for actual violence

    a real response I got from a terf once, turns out theyre actually huge fans of self-identification

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      5 months ago

      Buh…but…4CHAN SED LE NAZIS ARE FUNNNNNNNNNY!!111!! Murder is okay…because FUNNY!!11111!!!

      Why do you silly non-psychopaths have no sense of humor?

  • Lerios [hy/hym]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    45
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    to be fair, this is just general lib shit. like, you’ll find a shittonne of people who are 100% “trans rights are human rights!!! ^_^ (but we need to fund the police, blow up muslims, and protect nazis UwU)”

  • neo [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    43
    ·
    5 months ago

    breaking my back to let people know how much i’ll publicly defend nazis, specifically, which is suddenly very important to me.

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      5 months ago

      I hope they never learn about superheroes.

      “Oh no! Why is batman punching poor Joker!? Joker should just be allowed to commit crimes and have everyone be ok with it!”

      • rando895@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        5 months ago

        See you’re missing the point. Only cops can use violence. Unless of course you are rich/super cool looking then you can too.

  • nothx [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    5 months ago

    Nazis existing is violence. Its not a matter of disagreeing with them, they don’t deserve the right to spew their beliefs, they deserve a bullet. I would punch someone’s grandfather in the face if I knew they were a nazi. No pause, no regret. Push that old fuck down the stairs and then throw his nazi uniform down there after him, so everyone knows why.