This is exactly why Judges have been so lenient on him.
None of them want to go from country clubbing to having firsthand knowledge of the witness protection program.
I disagree with that. The judges need to be a bit lenient with him so nobody can say that the judge was biased against him. This was sort of frustrating to those of us who saw the judge as being too nice to Trump, but its now a lot harder to say he was gunning to get him convicted.
Yeah, so the fact that he wasn’t proves my point. The Judge wasn’t showing signs of wanting to get Trump convicted.
Compare that to if Trump is required to be in jail throughout the trail, because he was held in contempt. The right would be saying the judge, and this same verdict, were corrupt. That’s what they’re saying, now but there’s less evidence for them to use.
Its about convincing people still on the fence with Trump. The most vocal are saying that the jury was a sham. The ones in the middle are less vocal. By not giving vocal Republicans any ammo, it helps make a convincing case to those Republican voters that weren’t hardline republicans/MAGAs. They’re the ones we need along with the voters that switch from the 2016 to 2020 elections.
Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.
The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.
And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?
I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.
Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc?
Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes.
If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already.
It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.
I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.
They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.
I think you lost me. You said Trump will probably not go to jail because the judge has already been lenient with him regarding contempt, you claim more than any other person would be afforded - which might be true but is hard to prove.
I pointed out that it doesn’t automatically follow that the sentencing will also be lenient. It’s not a question of prison, or not.
Then you flew off the handle (imho) by claiming the judge will not give him a harsh sentence (again, not a question of prison or not) because it would make him liable and responsible for terrorist attacks and riots by Trump supporters
And that’s exactly the point of the fascist, which they repeat time and again to intimidate the opponent; That if something happens, then the people who “wronged” Trump would be reponsible. The actual terrorists and rioters and the people therefore wouldn’t be 100% taking the blame, but just part of it or maybe none.
You are agreeing with those people by casually throwing around this idea that attacks and retributions would not be an atrocious, absurd reaction to a criminal getting sentenced, but something that is to be expected. You’re supporting that viewpoint. That’s why I can’t tell if you are a trolling right-winger or a coward or maybe just a dipshit.
Something something historic trial something decorum something tradition and that’s why he’ll walk free.
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This is exactly why Judges have been so lenient on him. None of them want to go from country clubbing to having firsthand knowledge of the witness protection program.
I disagree with that. The judges need to be a bit lenient with him so nobody can say that the judge was biased against him. This was sort of frustrating to those of us who saw the judge as being too nice to Trump, but its now a lot harder to say he was gunning to get him convicted.
Idk Trump was literally attacking this judge’s daughter.
Any other person would’ve been held in contempt.
Yeah, so the fact that he wasn’t proves my point. The Judge wasn’t showing signs of wanting to get Trump convicted. Compare that to if Trump is required to be in jail throughout the trail, because he was held in contempt. The right would be saying the judge, and this same verdict, were corrupt. That’s what they’re saying, now but there’s less evidence for them to use.
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Its about convincing people still on the fence with Trump. The most vocal are saying that the jury was a sham. The ones in the middle are less vocal. By not giving vocal Republicans any ammo, it helps make a convincing case to those Republican voters that weren’t hardline republicans/MAGAs. They’re the ones we need along with the voters that switch from the 2016 to 2020 elections.
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Even a mere 6 months would be enough.
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Don’t know about that, judging by the show Delocated, the witness protection program looks fun. Your own skins bar!
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If your hands are tied by the corruption of others, make them do the corruption, don’t just preemptively do it for them.
Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.
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The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.
And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?
I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.
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I don’t disagree at all. But I can walk and chew gum at the same time on this one :) In other words, they’re not mutually exclusive.
Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc? Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes. If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already. It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.
Everyone likes to circlejerk about revolution or whatever, but for 99.9% of people in developed countries, life is too good to put it on the line.
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I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.
They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.
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I think you lost me. You said Trump will probably not go to jail because the judge has already been lenient with him regarding contempt, you claim more than any other person would be afforded - which might be true but is hard to prove. I pointed out that it doesn’t automatically follow that the sentencing will also be lenient. It’s not a question of prison, or not. Then you flew off the handle (imho) by claiming the judge will not give him a harsh sentence (again, not a question of prison or not) because it would make him liable and responsible for terrorist attacks and riots by Trump supporters And that’s exactly the point of the fascist, which they repeat time and again to intimidate the opponent; That if something happens, then the people who “wronged” Trump would be reponsible. The actual terrorists and rioters and the people therefore wouldn’t be 100% taking the blame, but just part of it or maybe none. You are agreeing with those people by casually throwing around this idea that attacks and retributions would not be an atrocious, absurd reaction to a criminal getting sentenced, but something that is to be expected. You’re supporting that viewpoint. That’s why I can’t tell if you are a trolling right-winger or a coward or maybe just a dipshit.
So what you’re saying is he’s definitely going to prison.