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False equivalency. Also waiting on your criteria for a reproduction permit.
Again, eugenics is fascist.
Also, even with the best effort to restrict reproduction in a “good” way, the instant your administration changes, those restrictions will change too. Do you want the Trump admin to choose who can reproduce?
Education is the answer. Always has been, always will be.
the instant your administration changes, those restrictions will change too.
This applies to a lot of things. It’s a reason why you don’t want too much infrastructure in place that can be used for oppression, even if such infrastructure is put into place by a benevolent administration.
Please explain to me how you would go about selecting who can reproduce and who can’t then. I’ve asked this question multiple times and so far none of you “eugenics are good when it favors me” seem to want to answer it.
Eugenics is about purity of your population. That is a textbook component of fascism, whether you like it or not.
All of the “problems” they’re pointing out against letting stupid/evil people have a dozen kids are problems that still exist without such a restriction. Inability to isolate variables and saying we shouldn’t do anything because “the system is imperfect” defines conservatism.
Unfortunately true, I agree. There would be an enormous amount of work to be done, starting with replacing that admin, and it would take time and effort. Still, I don’t see a way, even with all the benevolence in the world, to restrict reproduction in a positive way. Also, I honestly believe that it would end up having a similar effect to banning alcohol for example: people wouldn’t stop reproducing, they would hide it, which in turn means no access to healthcare or education for those children, as they would have to be hidden from the government, thus complicating things even further.
Once thought like that, but actually think through it and it’s not possible without being evil: what are the criteria, who makes the call, who watches those making such calls to ensure it’s fair (and who watches them and so on because this kind of thing would immediately attract people seeking power over others and therefore corruption), how does one appeal, etc etc etc.
It just isn’t possible without being a fascist (evil).
Also it’s been done before even in “nonfascist” states - see forced sterilization of indigineous peoples and African Americans in the US.
Having a child is something a pair of consenting adults can do with their own bodies. How the state can get involved in that without it being a major incursion on personal liberty should cause one to pause.
I’m convinced that in this part of the world most supporters are either active or latent white supremacists. In other parts it’s often based on subjugation of a more specific ethnic group, which isn’t any better. It’s all fascism at the end of the day.
We place moral restrictions on decisions that have a potential to hurt others. Bringing children into this world is one such decision.
False equivalency. Also waiting on your criteria for a reproduction permit.
Again, eugenics is fascist.
Also, even with the best effort to restrict reproduction in a “good” way, the instant your administration changes, those restrictions will change too. Do you want the Trump admin to choose who can reproduce?
Education is the answer. Always has been, always will be.
This applies to a lot of things. It’s a reason why you don’t want too much infrastructure in place that can be used for oppression, even if such infrastructure is put into place by a benevolent administration.
Yes, and in the case of restrictions on reproduction, I do not see any way to implement that without having that gigantic oppressive infrastructure.
Also, “benevolent” eugenics is still eugenics, still fascist.
Getting to “fascist” seems to be your only endgame here. It’s a label. Paved roads and running water are “fascist”.
Please explain to me how you would go about selecting who can reproduce and who can’t then. I’ve asked this question multiple times and so far none of you “eugenics are good when it favors me” seem to want to answer it.
Eugenics is about purity of your population. That is a textbook component of fascism, whether you like it or not.
All of the “problems” they’re pointing out against letting stupid/evil people have a dozen kids are problems that still exist without such a restriction. Inability to isolate variables and saying we shouldn’t do anything because “the system is imperfect” defines conservatism.
If you bothered to read the whole thread, I do propose a solution. Education.
But the current administration would not properly implement education
Unfortunately true, I agree. There would be an enormous amount of work to be done, starting with replacing that admin, and it would take time and effort. Still, I don’t see a way, even with all the benevolence in the world, to restrict reproduction in a positive way. Also, I honestly believe that it would end up having a similar effect to banning alcohol for example: people wouldn’t stop reproducing, they would hide it, which in turn means no access to healthcare or education for those children, as they would have to be hidden from the government, thus complicating things even further.
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Once thought like that, but actually think through it and it’s not possible without being evil: what are the criteria, who makes the call, who watches those making such calls to ensure it’s fair (and who watches them and so on because this kind of thing would immediately attract people seeking power over others and therefore corruption), how does one appeal, etc etc etc.
It just isn’t possible without being a fascist (evil).
Also it’s been done before even in “nonfascist” states - see forced sterilization of indigineous peoples and African Americans in the US.
Having a child is something a pair of consenting adults can do with their own bodies. How the state can get involved in that without it being a major incursion on personal liberty should cause one to pause.
I’m convinced that in this part of the world most supporters are either active or latent white supremacists. In other parts it’s often based on subjugation of a more specific ethnic group, which isn’t any better. It’s all fascism at the end of the day.
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