This is not me saying at all that Trump is better than Biden; it’s more of an equalization argument that I truthfully can’t see a fiscal difference.

It’s been well known by people like us that the two bourgeois parties are basically the same, but I never really understood how close they were until the last like, 6 months.

Maybe it’s JUST Biden that’s super similar. But regardless, I just don’t see the difference. He spews nice words about trans rights, workers, all of these good things. But the exact same shit that happened under Trump basically happened under Biden. Funding for genocidal states, proxy war funding, funding police, loss of abortion federal protection, separation of kids and parents at the border, etc.

People keep saying Biden is marginally better, where?

I don’t know. I can’t bring myself to vote for any of these guys this time around.

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    You are not giving Biden enough credit.

    Take a look at this:

    From 2016-2019, white family wealth had stagnated under Trump. From 2019-2022, white family wealth exploded upwards while black and Hispanic family wealth had remained in stagnation, and that’s just the first 2 years of Biden administration.

    In fact, black families found themselves getting poorer under Biden, while the opposite is true for white families:

    Source: Federal Reserve

    Under Trump, everyone suffered. But under Biden, rich white people are experiencing some of the fastest growth in their wealth in a long time, while screwing the other minorities along the way. That’s the difference between Trump and Biden.

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    Him proposing to end asylum for migrants is objectively worse than anything Trump did on the border.

    He keeps saying there are no conditions on support for Isreal. No lib has been able to explain to me what is way worse than “unlimited unconditional funding”

    We are currently drilling more oil than any nation in history anywhere ever.

    It’s literally just lip service and then when a reporter literally asks “are you planning on doing anything other than having conversations” the press secretary gets pissed

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    The irony is that the Americans are slaves to their electoral system. Liberal democracies are one big, pathetic myth where they make the masses believe that they are the ones in control of the polity and just like they elected someone into a position of power they can dismiss them in later elections.

    The discourse that has been happening shows quite a different reality: Americans are treating the elections as if there is no alternative. Even if there indeed was no alternative, they don’t bargain with the ones in power, they don’t use their vote as a bargaining chip for political change. They are ready to vote unconditionally because they accept their candidate as is.

    You don’t see democrat voters pressuring the Biden administration to put an end to the genocide in Palestine. They feel uneasy towards what’s happening but ultimately they consider themselves to be powerless. Western democracy and constitutionalism have politically alienated the people.

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    Racist geriatric maniac who bombs the middle east vs racist geriatric maniac who bombs the middle east. Neither is better or worse than the other at this point

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    Biden has better aesthetics. No anti-intellectualism, focus on respectability, posturing as progressive etc… in a world where I would buy into US propaganda I’d be inspired by the image that the Dems want to give and I’d be scared and revolted by the image that the Reps have.

    But that’s all just aesthetics. Libs who urge you to vote Biden are just not seeing beyond PR

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    What baffles me is that democRATs cannot produce any viable candidate apart from Biden. Do they have no idea how bad it looks? Even disregarding that Biden is a racist genocidal piece of shit (something that democrats do not care about), he is degenerating neurologically by the day. Looking at him I cannot confidently say that one year from now he will be able to walk and talk at all.

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      I find this very peculiar. They are in the “vote blue no matter what” mode even if “what” is open genocide, so they should also with no problem vote blue no matter who, and their entire campain for Biden have exactly one point “he is not Trump” anyway.

      So why that carcass, they could as well put up random John Doe, Florida Man or a cat and “not Trump” would still work.

      • This is the problem with listening to their rhetoric rather thsn looking st their acrions. Their rhetoric is a smokescreen; their actions reveal their true values.

        “Vote blue no matter who” is a rationalization. You are correct that if they wanted to win no matter what, they’d pick a better candidate than one who is explicitly pro-genocide, has dementia, and has fucked the working class over for his entire career. They’d go with a Bernie style populist and run on his wildly popular platform.

        Western white liberals are at their core extremely racist. They fear and hate bipoc people, Middle Easterners, and especially Muslims. So Biden’s genocide in Palestine is actually a positive for them – but many* have enough self awareness to know they can’t openly cheer for it without revealing how depraved they are. They don’t just want to beat Trump, they want to do so while maintaining the fascist, imperialist, capitalist project. Biden is their guy

        • Thomas L Friedman who recently got an op-ed published in the New York Times likening Middle Easterners to wasps and calling for the entire region to be set on fire, is a notable exception
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          I had someone say to me recently “I have nothing against Muslim people, but I don’t like their religion. The religion says you should be put to death if you leave it.”

          Not knowing a lot about the Islomic faith I left it alone. I imagine the list of religions void of violent punishment for going against its faith is short.

          But logically, there must be different sects or denominations of the islomic faith that worship differently, interpret their texts differently, and are ultimately not “violent” in their expression. Aka Islam can’t simply be a monolith.

          So to hold that point of view, that islam is a violent monolith, you must at least agree then that all practicing Muslims have violence at the core of their faith and by extension are more violent…

          Which is void of any materialism.

          • My mom is Muslim and warned me not to be public about my apostasy in case some extremists went after me. But in all the years I’ve been an apostate, I’ve told plenty of Muslims and their attitude has always been very chill and accepting – “that’s between you and Allah”, “hope you find your way back but even if you don’t you’re clearly a good and principled person and inshallah that has to count for something. Allah is merciful after all!”, " it’s not my place to judge". No Muslim has ever given me shit for leaving the faith. In fact when I’ve told them about why (I simply can’t worship someone who refused to protect my family from AmeriKKKa’s systemic racism and hatred of Muslims) they’ve been sympathetic.

            Whoever said that to you is full of shit, propagates racist Islamophobic lies, and should go die.

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      https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1756333114354221056

      They are really bad on COVID. In particular, they reduce masks to a personal choice that is ineffective at stopping the COVID pandemic and seem to believe that universal vaccination will stop the pandemic. The vaccine is great, it reduces deaths dramatically but it does not stop transmission. I understand masking is incredibly unpopular but they could have simply just not mentioned it.

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    It tend to agree. The closest thing to a tangible delivered-policy difference is the flavour of grandstanding on social issues. Biden might be publically less hostile to certain ethnic groups and the LGBTQ+ community, and more willing to leverage abortion access as a policy. However, I feel like we’re in a very “you let it break in the first place” scenario.

    These issues should have been solved and locked down decades ago. Of course, we never solved the underlying social and economic tensions, so the public is hungry for scapegoats and targets. We can’t blame Blacks anymore (in public) but “Illegal Immigrants” and transgender boogeymen in the ladies’ room are an excellent distraction from the rich draining our planet dry.

    Both parties dropped the ball there. The GOP used social issues as a wedge, but the Democrats relied on a lot of gossamer-thin legal precedent and social norms to keep everything gkued together- where was the explicit access-to-abortion law, or even constitutional amendment push?

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      It was under the Biden regime that my home state stopped allowing me to update my birth certificate. He has clearly and obviously not done enough to protect us.