• CrabAndBroom@lemmy.mlEnglish
        15·
        9 months ago

        If it had to be one I think I’d send Musk. Bill Gates is kind of a spent force, he’s in his “be philanthropic to make up for all the shady shit I did”, so I think he’s done most of the harm he’s going to do. Bezos is a close second pick, but I think he’s less actively bonkers than Musk. Zuckerberg I think is an alien anyway so they probably wouldn’t take him.

        • LanyrdSkynrd [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          37·
          9 months ago

          Gates’s philanthropy is doing harm, though. His foundation funds school choice initiatives and lobbied against COVID vaccine patent wavers for poor countries. He was also a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein.

          • CrabAndBroom@lemmy.mlEnglish
            5·
            9 months ago

            Fair enough, I think I’d still send Musk first though because he’s also the most annoying one.

          • Joe@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            3·
            9 months ago

            IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn’t bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.

            Honestly, a lot of people write shit about Gates to try to discredit him, and lots of people lap it up. He’s a bogeyman.

            Funnily enough, he was the devil incarnate for this Linux user back in the 90s… nowadays he often comes across as the only adult in the room.

            • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              4·
              9 months ago

              IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn’t bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.

              Are you doing a bit? This is exactly what happened because there weren’t any patent waivers granted at the peak of the pandemic. Low income countries still have devastatingly low vaccination rates as a result.

              • Joe@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                You are still assuming that some third party/parties could/would magic a cheap effective vaccine clone into existence at the time it was most needed and most profitable to do otherwise.

                Also, the perceived value of vaccination for immediate personal health has waned now that most people have caught covid, so I expect the number of recent vaccination shots to be consistently lower throughout the world.

                • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  3·
                  9 months ago

                  No. You don’t get to weasel your way out of defending your central argument. You said:

                  IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn’t bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.

                  Defending patent exclusivity will bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion. This will save lives. Very pragmatic. You said that.

                  So, why are first dose vaccination rates in poorer countries still less than half of the full vaccination rate in wealthy nations? It’s because no timely vaccine deployment occurred. Delays and death were not prevented. Gates’ supposed magnanimous goal failed spectacularly by any reasonable measure. The only thing he protected was billions in profits at the expense of human lives.

                  You also don’t understand what a patent waiver even means:

                  You are still assuming that some third party/parties could/would magic a cheap effective vaccine clone into existence at the time it was most needed and most profitable to do otherwise.

                  A patent doesn’t mean, “Sorry folks! We cured this disease, so nobody else can make their own cure! Too bad, so sad!” It means they’ve published how to make something, but can legally bar anybody from reproducing their work. It’s an instruction manual you aren’t allowed to follow, to protect their profits. A patent waiver removes that restriction.

                  If you do understand that, and are instead arguing that the global South is just too stupid to be able to follow instructions, well… then we fundamentally disagree on the foundations of ethics and humanity, and I don’t want to ever speak with you again.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          “be philanthropic to make up for all the shady shit I did”

          Bullshit. His “philanthropy” is part taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other, and part eugenics and dubious medical experimentation upon poor people in impoverished countries and further expanding his fossil fuel investment portfolio and fucking over public education.

  • LiberalSoCalist@lemm.eeEnglish
    45·
    9 months ago

    I nominate Joe Rogan because him doing a live podcast with aliens on their spaceship would be the funniest final hour of our lives

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    19·
    9 months ago

    Zuck. He would negotiate a deal with those aliens. We would live, but we would have to stop using toilets, instead mailing our shit in plastic bags to some kind of central processing plant. Then a few years down the line we would find out that the aliens didn’t ask for this and it was a clause added into the deal by Zuckerberg.

  • D61 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18·
    9 months ago

    Zuckerberg.

    I’d hope that the aliens would view him as alien enough to assume that we’d already been invaded and either 1) no need to re invade us for fear of starting war with some unknown alien civilization or 2) liberate us from the rest of the rich people who look more like people than zuck.

  • Mokey [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    16·
    9 months ago

    Id just represent humanity honestly im pretty cool

    The aliens would think zuck is one of them

    Or me and the aliens would team up and investigate zucks butthole in a scientific way