Not just uncaught murderers, there are a lot of people who have killed without legally being considered murderers.
People who killed people in accidents such as driving accidents or hunting accidents
People who killed in self defense
Soldiers who killed enemy soldiers
Executioners
Police officers who have killed on duty
Doctors and nurses who have made mistakes that accidentally killed patients
Used to work with the criminally insane. I’ve also met a LOT of pedophiles. Not many because they actually were crazy but because they were trying to get declared as such to not get fucked up in prison. Most of them aren’t even actually attracted to children they just wanna victimize someone and children are smaller / weaker and less able to advocate for themselves. The one thing pretty much all of them have in common is a pitiful combination of sadism and cowardice.
I drive now! Good luck everyone else!
Two people, in fact. First was a Hell’s Angels enforcer. Had lunch at a Chinese restaurant with him and a few other people from my former Kung Fu school. Apparently he was a former student and credibly accused of murdering a rival biker gang member, but the jury was hung and couldn’t convict.
Second was none other than Shrimp Boy, after he got released from prison for the murders he committed but before he got locked up again for the racketeering charges. Met in in Chinatown literally a few days before the feds closed in on him. Shared a cup of tea with him without knowing his identity and didn’t find out until someone present told me who he was days later.
On the flip side, you’ve probably met someone who has saved a person’s life.
You’ve definately met someone who farted.
I saved my self a bunch of times by convincing my self to not kill myself.
Does that count?
I wonder how many people who have themselves unknowingly caused a death, though some thoughtless or innocuous action. E.g. a discarded banana peel causes another person to later slip and fall with a fatal result.
I definitely have. I’m 43 and people have been randomly coming up to me and telling me their deepest, darkest secrets since I was 12 like I’m some kind of walking confessional booth.
Same here! Some guy I worked with randomly started telling me about a guy he murdered. He framed it as self-defense, but I’ve always wondered.
Lol, yeah I’d like to know specifically why ppl choose to tell me these things, but oh well 😂
This comment section is weird
I like it. Feels like seeing a kind of truth that goes mostly obscured.
Yea, you know Sir Alec Guinness (the actor that played Obi-Wan) has killed a few people. He wouldnt call WW2 his “best performance” if he didnt take a few baddies out.
Care to share?
I think he’s saying he’s a murderer.
Or maybe Obi Wan is a murderer.
Hard to say.
Obi-Wan has definitely killed. But I think only in combat situations (Darth Maul, General Grevious)
That may be true in the US.
Most of these reasons don’t apply to normal more civilized countriesSome do.
Soldiers who killed enemy soldiers
Starting to get more likely in Eastern Europe now than the US I’d say. Never know when you might run into a former Russian or Ukrainan soldier.
People who killed in self defense
Probably less likely outside of the US since no guns, but assault is still a thing and you can kill an assailant without a gun.
Doctors and nurses who have made mistakes that accidentally killed patients
This is universal.
People who killed people in accidents such as driving accidents or hunting accidents
So is this.
That is true, but I think they were just trying to take a shot (haha) at the US. Well deserved, for sure.
So only the last 2.
Also, they don’t mention the most obvious reason, meeting a murderer that didn’t get caught.
It is quite easy to murder someone if you take your time and are careful.
Most solved cases would be crimes of passion where the killer doesn’t care (at that moment)And yes, partially, not ‘just only’ a shot at the despicable US gun culture and militarism
I’m associates (he’s a friend of a friend) of a guy who did Manslaughter Under the Influence.
He’s a prick, but that’s unrelated to that, just right-wing
I dunno, it takes a type.
Knew a guy online who was part of a game guild and regularly told a teenager to go kill himself for not healing him on time during raids.
One day the Kid shot himself.
The guy was a full on asshole in rl, much older than the kid, had a family and a job and told himself and everyone that he wasn’t at fault cuz the kid was not mentally stable.
Like dude, regardless of someone’s mental health he is a bully with an anger problem and leaned into unleashing it on a young kid.
I know a train operator. They are sometimes involuntary involved in other peoples suicide.
I don’t think anyone would say a train operator killed a person. I’d go as far as to say the operator is about as responsible as the passengers.
What about this guy though?
That has to be one of the worst choices if you must go. I get that we don’t think straight in those moments of our life, but it’s such a horrible thing to force on someone and their conscience…
Not just trains, but all the instances where someone entirely unrelated will be dragged into something so heavy, like truck drivers, too. Hard to live with, can really ruin lives.
Another thing I don’t like is when others that aren’t trained for it like the paramedics or police, have to see the outcome and fallout, such as jumping off a building into a busy street, even at night when nobody’s there just now, but will be. Or hanging yourself from your balcony in an apartment complex.
It fucks up someone to see that, and I have to believe everyone could make the responsible choice of doing it in private or in a way that affects least amount of unrelated people possible. Like going with the helium/nitrogen bag, hanging within the bounds of one’s privacy, if shooting is the way to go, do it perhaps in the woods, somewhere peaceful and remote, and call the paramedics so they’ll be there before any innocent walkers-by, etc.
It’s bad that anyone has to be involved, but at least the professionals have the training to deal with that somehow, even if it will ultimately fuck them up too at least somehow. At least it’s a conscious choice for them to put themselves in the position that they might have to see shit like that. Same for police.
I would strongly encourage messless ways to go, too, because I think the psychological impact of a peacful-seeming exit without blood or injuries has to be the least damaging. It’s never going to be clean and harmless to others, but an exit bag would do a lot of good for everyone eventually involved in the situation.
But I also get that a lot of people in that position may harbor some general hatred and bitterness towards others, which is horrible and I have to think entirely avoidable if the society did its job, so they might even choose to go as publicly and messily as possible just to make a point or something.
But the others have to live with that shit. They keep going. You don’t. The least we can do is try to minimize the trauma and impact we necessarily inflict on others when we do go. We get the peace. We get away. Those others, not so much.
I don’t know how this would be taught other than boldly and empathetically talking about it in school, to make the point repeatedly, like we do with sex education for example. And health education too. We really should talk about these things, so when the time comes one has to leave, the spine reaction would be to do it as kindly as possible, to be considerate in the choice of manner.
but at least the professionals have the training to deal with that somehow
Ha. You want to know the training you get for dealing with death? It’s a couple of sentences uttered by an instructor when some bozo in the class has more curiosity than thought and asks about the ‘yep, he’s dead’ policy. Most of the time you’ll have one of a pair who has done it before, and they just tell the other one what to do (like putting on the electrodes or looking around the room to see what else has been done). That’s the whole of it, adding in the jokes that will be told and the mild amusement of watching the other’s reaction when you grab a coke out of the dead dude’s fridge (I didn’t, but the more experienced one had when he was stuck at a house for six hours).
Yup. I got a 2 hour lecture in EMT school that dealt with all of mental health and psych emergencies and included a “hey by the way take care of yourself, you’re going to see some really fucked up shit, a large amount of first responders end up with PTSD, the suicide rate is through the roof, if you don’t figure out how to deal with it you’ll be part of those statistics too”. Super helpful. Nothing like the feeling of watching your paramedic partner and your supervisor both crying in the privacy of the back of the ambulance after the death of a child.
That was more than I got. It’s part of the reason that the state I practiced in required 2 years as an EMT B before you could go to school to become a medic. At least you knew what you were in for before they spent the time on you.
That’s just good practice in general. Everyone where I’m at rushes straight through medic school if they have the money/time, and it shows. They barely know how to talk to a patient, and then you’re throwing all the various blacktop training at them.
I’ve met multimillionaires before so yes, thousands of people probably
This this this. It’s basically impossible to get that rich without having endangered others.
eh, millionaire aint what it used to be (inflation is a bitch)…billionaires definitely though
