Neither Man nor Bear isn’t presented as an option, the choices were Man or Bear so anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR. Bears are not kind to humans in their territory, if you run into a mother then you’re going to be torn apart.
But she’s getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man.
Bears are not kind to humans in their territory
Bears generally leave you alone unless you’ve got food and they’re hungry… at which point, just give them your food and you’ll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year.
There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. I might also be missing some nonfatal attacks since theres not a well maintained list for those. Humans also generally leave you alone if you’re not in their immediate vicinity, I think it warrants assuming you’re not just on the same mountain as the bear.
using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear… and this is not counting rape.
By gender, the overwhelming majority of accident drivers are men (13,085 : 5,212). So if you’re worried specifically about dying and you exclude all murderers, just getting in a car makes other male drivers vastly more dangerous than bears.
Holy shit, that’s nuts! This should be in the top comments for this silly hypothetical lol. I think you just checkmated nearly everyone trying to argue against the bear.
By gender, the overwhelming majority of accident drivers are men (13,085 : 5,212). So if you’re worried specifically about dying and you exclude all murderers, just getting in a car makes other male drivers vastly more dangerous than bears.
Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.)
Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they’re also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man.
Are you telling me that’s not enough death to warrant caution? Imagine if there were 170 Million Bears, maybe thats a better visual for you to compare.
Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn’t be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of “make sure you don’t surprise the bear”. Bears don’t want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you.
I can’t tell if you’re thoroughly disingenuous or you actually can’t tell what this discussion is about. Involvement with the bear or avoidance of the bear were explicitly declared non-optional.
Honestly confused, do you mean in your initial comment you were asserting that the choices were either “interact with man” or “interact with bear”? Because if so that was never the premise of the initial question, and nobody else here appears to be discussing it like it was.
The bear and man options are presented as equivalent, so you’re either interacting with either or simply on the same mountain as either, you can’t just pick and choose for each instance or the question needs to be reformatted.
You’ve actually perfectly encapsulated my point that your personal bias has caused a random and illogical dismissal of the potential harm a bear can cause. It’s like bears don’t exist at all in your mind, the options are men or not men to you.
Explain how the bear is statistically safer; you would need to factor in not just total incidences, but total interactions, otherwise it’s a sharpshooter fallacy.
The average woman likely has tens of thousands of hours with strange men and no incident, and it would be extremely surprising that the bear stats would be better than that.
I wouldn’t be surprised that even if you only selected men convicted of violence on women, the bears would still be statistically more dangerous (or it would at least be a somewhat close comparison).
This is getting into the weeds a bit though and not really in the spirit of the original question.
It doesn’t matter if there is a bus full of men and only one is a creep. The woman isn’t going to remember the 99 men who left her alone, she’s going to remember the 1 that stared at her the whole time.
If this was your experience every day it would not be surprising at all to not want to be around a random man.
Not all men are creeps, but all women have been creeped on.
no i can’t. i can only imagine two million bears in a large space, like say the washington dc mall. that’s the most i can realistically comprehend. two million shirtless bears. would someone get me a mai tai?
How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You’re manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way.
Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine.
It started as satire, perhaps, but I know woman who would literally rather go take their chances with a bear than a skeezy dude outside a bar following them to their car.
Lol, are you literally thinking the hypothetical includes all men? They aren’t going to run away from their father, brother, cousin, or the nice old man who runs the laundremat.
It’s about predatory men. Men that want something from them - sex, a relationship, companionship. The way mamy men pursue this is often very sketchy and/or dangerous. Domestic violence against woman is extremely common.
It’s important that people understand this. I literally just earlier this year yelled at a 500 pound bear eating trash out of a garbage can. It walked away when I did this.
Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears.
See that’s actually not true, because there are more men total than bears total and people are generally much more exposed to men than bears. Let’s say you go to a city and walk past a hundred people. Bears are safer, so you’d be perfectly justified to walk past a hundred bears?
I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year.
Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods.
Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much.
Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher.
It absolutely doesn’t. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it’s not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I’m alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn’t choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there’s no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant).
People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I’m there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they’re seeking the company of another human.
OK but what would the numbers be if humans start going to work with bears, have a party with bear guests invited, go to clubs with bears, live with bears, have a game night with bears…
This is the first time I’ve ever seen the phrase used to justify ignorance of danger, on basis of statistical outliers ignoring all context and risk factors. It kind of works but it’s also incredibly stupid.
Since that’s not what it was being used to justify, you’ve helpfully proven my point by reenacting it, staring at the tree and insisting it’s the forest.
This happens more often than you’d think, so don’t feel too bad.
So, certain death is preferable to meeting the average male randomly in the woods, in other words, the average woman believes the average man will rape and kill her. That’s all we need to say about male/female relations in 2026.
The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start.
Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations.
So this makes the argument more like asking:
Would you rather catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods or meet a random man in the woods?
Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man.
As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short.
This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men).
However, looking at the more realistic outcome of “meeting” a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense.
Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it.
You’d have women who had absolute jerks for bf’s, or you know…got SA’d, so they are more likely to pay attention to a questionnaire like that, and have a rather negative view of men as a whole. Social media also amplifies outrage, and tends to encourage certain attitudes.
Tbf, if you meet a random man in the woods you’re also not likely to be raped and murdered, which is the assumption the question is based on.
If we’re to talk about actual probable outcomes the question becomes “would you rather glimpse a bear, or walk past a guy and say ‘hey’ to each other while you both continue along your respective paths.”
I’ve seen many men while in the woods, at most we end up smoking a J together. This is a much more realistic outcome of “meeting” a man in the woods.
Wasn’t it ‘would you like to be alone in the woods with a bear or a man’?
Which is absolutely normal, you are alone in the woods with boars, deer and other creatures that would fuck you up if given no other choice almost every time you enter the forest. Bears are not much different here.
Men are a danger to women. And I get that most men don’t agree, and that most men feel ‘threatened’ by such statement. But by rejecting that message, they are letting the dangerous men fly under the radar. And those statistics do not lie.
I have personally never seen a man attack a woman. That does not make the statistics false. I still understand that all women are right to feel scared and I that we should as a society accept that we all need to do better to stop any chauvinistic tendencies, objectification, and any disregard to any concerns, specially from women, JUST LIKE THIS BEAR ONE.
Bears alone in the woods will go about their way, some men who see a woman alone will assault her. That’s the point, let’s all stop acting like every man is like that. But even if 1% of men are like that, it’s still safer to be with a bear.
But it’s kind of the same as cops. Few rotten ones will spoil the bunch unless every honest one will speak up and demand justice when sees ‘a buddy being silly’.
Even worse is that instead of men stepping up and admitting that ‘hey, maybe we are the problem so let us brainstorm ideas’ they go ‘no fuck you I wish you were mauled’. Cause that’s what every denial of this exercise is.
Idk what you want me to do? I see the writing on the wall, I don’t hate women, I just think it’s over. Men have a really bad reputation, and I don’t see how that can change.
Oh, I’m sorry, from your username being “WorldsDumbestMan” I just assumed you were actually larping as the world’s dumbest (bears aren’t “certain death” and I assumed you were being factious. I’ve met plenty of bears in the forest, they’re fine (if startling as hell)).
If you’re sincerely asking what to do, just… maybe try to stop thinking of women as a separate category from men, for starters. Just treat them like people. You also very much don’t have to solve this issue on your own, and the only realistic contribution you can make is to accept the current state and try to be the best person you can be while the cultural attitudes change for the better.
I have a certain diagnosis, and self-esteem issues. It’s getting more and more obvious that I’m probably just miss-diagnosed.
I will sometimes exaggerate my own stupidity and say dumb shit, but I’m mostly serious.
Regardless of how I treat women, the fact is that women don’t feel safe around men, and this creates another division amongst people. And I could not in good faith, recommend a woman NOT carry a pepper spray around her, or bring a friend or two.
I’d understand if they also had friends with them around me too, or took an U-turn. Nothing personal I guess.
I do act like I do online, I’m typically grumpy, but will help when asked.
With women, I’m a bit more awkward, but force myself to interact, so I got friends there. Not even trying to go romance or you know, fuck anyone atm.
I feel an almost smug superiority to my co-workers because I’m not afraid to hitch a ride with a woman. They don’t act weird in a woman’s presence, but talk sexualy about that same one all the time.
Their eyes and facial microexpressions give away when they’re thinking creeper thoughts. Unfortunately, must of us learn the looks early in life. Your coworkers can tell you’re safe and the other men aren’t even without overhearing their sexualized speech. Thank you for not being a creep 💜
To be fair, I don’t think the meme question ever specified what kind of bear they’re going to meet in the woods. I know my answer would change drastically based on the type of bear.
Can you run faster than a Chihuahua? As the saying goes, you don’t have to be able to outrun a bear, you only have to be able to outrun whoever else is with you. But Chihuahuas are faster than you think.
And I will always choose the bear
I will always choose the wolves
No matter what they do, they wouldn’t blame my clothes
I would rather choose to die
Let my body decompose
Cause even when you’re ash, thеy will never let you go
I’ve ran into bears in the woods and so far nothing violent has happened.
I’ve also ran into men in the woods (like literally almost every time I go out, not rarely like the bears) and most often the entire interaction is “hey,” “howya doin,” and we keep walking down our paths. On a rare occasion, these men have offered weed, or smoked with me some weed I’ve offered them. And so far nothing violent has happened.
Make of that what you will. Seems to me like in both situations you’ll likely be fine and working yourself into an irrationally scared frenzy over men OR bears based on the rare chance something could happen is maybe not the best for you. Tbh, if you’re that worried about it, buy a gun and carry it when you’re in bear- or man- country, and then if one of those rare things does happen, while it isn’t a get out of bear free card, you’ll at least have a chance to fight back.
Theres gonna be another rounding error if you pick the bear, and honestly I’m not really shaming that choice but I do want it to be acknowledged because I feel like a lot of people don’t respect nature or understand animals.
This comment hurt the part of my brain that has hope for humanity.
Bears live along-side people without harming them. This is a fact. You simply need to know how to interact with them if you literally cross their path.
Yes, they can murder people, but they are predictable, and by making noise or playing dead you have a chance to escape harm.
That’s the whole thing. It’s not about some sort of delusional argument of ‘choose the guy or choose to die’. Bears are not death, they are danger.
IDK, I’m not sold.
Neither Man nor Bear isn’t presented as an option, the choices were Man or Bear so anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR. Bears are not kind to humans in their territory, if you run into a mother then you’re going to be torn apart.
But she’s getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man.
Bears generally leave you alone unless you’ve got food and they’re hungry… at which point, just give them your food and you’ll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year.
Men can’t make this claim.
There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. I might also be missing some nonfatal attacks since theres not a well maintained list for those. Humans also generally leave you alone if you’re not in their immediate vicinity, I think it warrants assuming you’re not just on the same mountain as the bear.
Now do men.
There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women
using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear… and this is not counting rape.
Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
You didn’t figure in factors like number of men total or number of bears total, and the amount of exposure to either.
You are such an asshole.
I’m not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly.
Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away.
You are also the reason why people choose bears.
That was my thought reading every single one of their replies.
I don’t know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history… But I agree, they do seem like an asshole.
I’ve never met this person before in my life.
You didn’t factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow.
How many men existed in 2021 and how many bears existed in 2021?almost got the per capita rates
Also if you’re going to include the rape statistics you gotta include them for bears too.
100% of bear sexual encounters are rape.
I’m sure your keen criticism of statistical assessments of the situation will change the minds of woman everywhere.
Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who’ve interacted with a bear VS a man.
Murder isn’t the only way to be killed. Case in point, 2,958 women’s deaths are classified as “passenger vehicle accidents”, plus another 2,126 pedestrian deaths.
By gender, the overwhelming majority of accident drivers are men (13,085 : 5,212). So if you’re worried specifically about dying and you exclude all murderers, just getting in a car makes other male drivers vastly more dangerous than bears.
Holy shit, that’s nuts! This should be in the top comments for this silly hypothetical lol. I think you just checkmated nearly everyone trying to argue against the bear.
You can’t control other peoples sexuality, dork.
Now do cars
2,958 women’s deaths are classified as “passenger vehicle accidents”, plus another 2,126 pedestrian deaths.
By gender, the overwhelming majority of accident drivers are men (13,085 : 5,212). So if you’re worried specifically about dying and you exclude all murderers, just getting in a car makes other male drivers vastly more dangerous than bears.
Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year.
Better yet, what about Mosquitos?
Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.)
Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they’re also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man.
so… yeah just a smidge unbalanced.
The irony of saying it’s bad to compare mosquitos to men based on number of each and interactions, while comparing men to bears.
No its just bad for you to do it, since mosquitoes are even safer to be around than bears and thus the comparison does not at all aid your argument.
I bet even male toddlers killed more people in the us
Probably. It’s hard to research, though, since there’s so much material about how more and more kids are dying these days
There are also a lot more of them, and surprisingly they have more access to firearms and vehicles.
“Humans also generally leave you alone if you’re not in their immediate vicinity”
You should talk to a women one day.
I bet you haven’t even touched grass in 5 months.
And is 3 + 1 within the range [2, 5]? I know it’s a tough question, but I have faith you can manage to figure it out!
I never said it was anything but.
Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said?
Are you telling me that’s not enough death to warrant caution? Imagine if there were 170 Million Bears, maybe thats a better visual for you to compare.
Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn’t be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of “make sure you don’t surprise the bear”. Bears don’t want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you.
A perfect juxtaposition for incels!
I can’t tell if you’re thoroughly disingenuous or you actually can’t tell what this discussion is about. Involvement with the bear or avoidance of the bear were explicitly declared non-optional.
Honestly confused, do you mean in your initial comment you were asserting that the choices were either “interact with man” or “interact with bear”? Because if so that was never the premise of the initial question, and nobody else here appears to be discussing it like it was.
The bear and man options are presented as equivalent, so you’re either interacting with either or simply on the same mountain as either, you can’t just pick and choose for each instance or the question needs to be reformatted.
You are missing the point of the original experiment, and continue to misdirect the discussion into your predeterminted views.
So again, fuck you for that.
The only thing that matters is that “some MEN ARE A DANGER TO WOMEN”.
Disregarding that you only support the attackers. Simple as.
You’ve actually perfectly encapsulated my point that your personal bias has caused a random and illogical dismissal of the potential harm a bear can cause. It’s like bears don’t exist at all in your mind, the options are men or not men to you.
Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer.
Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear.
Explain how the bear is statistically safer; you would need to factor in not just total incidences, but total interactions, otherwise it’s a sharpshooter fallacy.
The average woman likely has tens of thousands of hours with strange men and no incident, and it would be extremely surprising that the bear stats would be better than that.
I wouldn’t be surprised that even if you only selected men convicted of violence on women, the bears would still be statistically more dangerous (or it would at least be a somewhat close comparison).
This is getting into the weeds a bit though and not really in the spirit of the original question.
Women existing in public: https://www.tiktok.com/@specere/video/7472932570162924831
It doesn’t matter if there is a bus full of men and only one is a creep. The woman isn’t going to remember the 99 men who left her alone, she’s going to remember the 1 that stared at her the whole time.
If this was your experience every day it would not be surprising at all to not want to be around a random man.
Not all men are creeps, but all women have been creeped on.
the average woman has had ‘no incident’ with men?
you need to listen to some women
https://interactive.unwomen.org/multimedia/infographic/violenceagainstwomen/en/index.html
I’ve already committed enough of my time to this stupid as fuck conversation, it’s not worth my time.
Instead, a fun animal fact, sharks are older than both trees and Polaris, the north star.
no i can’t. i can only imagine two million bears in a large space, like say the washington dc mall. that’s the most i can realistically comprehend. two million shirtless bears. would someone get me a mai tai?
How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You’re manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way.
Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine.
Have you never seen any report of how many women experience some form of sexual assault from men in their life? Because that’s higher than you think.
The question is satire. It’s a bit stupid to make agruments against it based on statistics.
It started as satire, perhaps, but I know woman who would literally rather go take their chances with a bear than a skeezy dude outside a bar following them to their car.
“I’ve never been in a conversation with someone who wasn’t alive, therefore death isn’t real.”
Fucking baby-brain shit. Have you even developed object permanence yet?
Lol, are you literally thinking the hypothetical includes all men? They aren’t going to run away from their father, brother, cousin, or the nice old man who runs the laundremat.
It’s about predatory men. Men that want something from them - sex, a relationship, companionship. The way mamy men pursue this is often very sketchy and/or dangerous. Domestic violence against woman is extremely common.
Here’s women encountering men in public spaces: https://www.tiktok.com/@specere/video/7472932570162924831
No wonder they don’t want to encounter them alone in the woods.
It’s important that people understand this. I literally just earlier this year yelled at a 500 pound bear eating trash out of a garbage can. It walked away when I did this.
Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears.
See that’s actually not true, because there are more men total than bears total and people are generally much more exposed to men than bears. Let’s say you go to a city and walk past a hundred people. Bears are safer, so you’d be perfectly justified to walk past a hundred bears?
I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year.
Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods.
Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much.
Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher.
This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous.
It absolutely doesn’t. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it’s not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I’m alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn’t choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there’s no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant).
People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I’m there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they’re seeking the company of another human.
OK but what would the numbers be if humans start going to work with bears, have a party with bear guests invited, go to clubs with bears, live with bears, have a game night with bears…
What in the fuck is your point?
Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking?
Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you.
This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears
Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women
Me, a misoginist? No, I just hate feminism!
So an individual bear kills how many humans on average and an individual human kills how many humans on average a year. You’re almost there!
I wonder how many female bears kill people vs male bears.
Well yeah. Bears got teeth, thick fur, claws. Like my cousin Larry. People don’t. It’d be easy harder for me to kill a purple than a bear
A purple…?
i’m sorry, i have a cold
… A purple cold?
does one that makes me slur tts sometimes sound believeable because thats the one i’m going with
I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be shitty, I just have no earthly idea what that means. It sounds like LLM output?
no worries i am very sleep deprived and very medicated. missed the last two REM cycles and i might catch the next if i’m lucky.
This week on another episode of “Missing the Forest for the Trees”!
This is the first time I’ve ever seen the phrase used to justify ignorance of danger, on basis of statistical outliers ignoring all context and risk factors. It kind of works but it’s also incredibly stupid.
Since that’s not what it was being used to justify, you’ve helpfully proven my point by reenacting it, staring at the tree and insisting it’s the forest.
This happens more often than you’d think, so don’t feel too bad.
So, certain death is preferable to meeting the average male randomly in the woods, in other words, the average woman believes the average man will rape and kill her. That’s all we need to say about male/female relations in 2026.
I know it’s a novelty account but you’re still just being obnoxious and spreading hate under the guise of satire.
The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start.
Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations.
So this makes the argument more like asking:
Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man.
As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short.
This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men).
However, looking at the more realistic outcome of “meeting” a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense.
Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it.
Also, men who feel the need to argue about why choosing the bear is “wrong” are the reason that most women choose the bear in the first place.
When I first I saw this question, I was one of those who got triggered, but since then I found that this question was just ragebait.
As I stated above, it is perfectly resonable for a woman to prefer to catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods, than meeting a random man.
It is sad, but it is reality, and we can’t loose sight of it as that will prevent progress.
To be fair, the women who would answer that question first, are the ones who had umm…experiences with men, not good ones.
That’s some incredible sexism, holy shit.
No, it isn’t.
You’d have women who had absolute jerks for bf’s, or you know…got SA’d, so they are more likely to pay attention to a questionnaire like that, and have a rather negative view of men as a whole. Social media also amplifies outrage, and tends to encourage certain attitudes.
We need to do an actual study imho.
It’s weird that we even assume people arguing the bear is wrong are men, I’ve had three people do that to me in this thread so far.
Tbf, if you meet a random man in the woods you’re also not likely to be raped and murdered, which is the assumption the question is based on.
If we’re to talk about actual probable outcomes the question becomes “would you rather glimpse a bear, or walk past a guy and say ‘hey’ to each other while you both continue along your respective paths.”
I’ve seen many men while in the woods, at most we end up smoking a J together. This is a much more realistic outcome of “meeting” a man in the woods.
Wasn’t it ‘would you like to be alone in the woods with a bear or a man’?
Which is absolutely normal, you are alone in the woods with boars, deer and other creatures that would fuck you up if given no other choice almost every time you enter the forest. Bears are not much different here.
Men are a danger to women. And I get that most men don’t agree, and that most men feel ‘threatened’ by such statement. But by rejecting that message, they are letting the dangerous men fly under the radar. And those statistics do not lie.
I have personally never seen a man attack a woman. That does not make the statistics false. I still understand that all women are right to feel scared and I that we should as a society accept that we all need to do better to stop any chauvinistic tendencies, objectification, and any disregard to any concerns, specially from women, JUST LIKE THIS BEAR ONE.
Bears alone in the woods will go about their way, some men who see a woman alone will assault her. That’s the point, let’s all stop acting like every man is like that. But even if 1% of men are like that, it’s still safer to be with a bear.
But it’s kind of the same as cops. Few rotten ones will spoil the bunch unless every honest one will speak up and demand justice when sees ‘a buddy being silly’.
Even worse is that instead of men stepping up and admitting that ‘hey, maybe we are the problem so let us brainstorm ideas’ they go ‘no fuck you I wish you were mauled’. Cause that’s what every denial of this exercise is.
Idk what you want me to do? I see the writing on the wall, I don’t hate women, I just think it’s over. Men have a really bad reputation, and I don’t see how that can change.
Oh, I’m sorry, from your username being “WorldsDumbestMan” I just assumed you were actually larping as the world’s dumbest (bears aren’t “certain death” and I assumed you were being factious. I’ve met plenty of bears in the forest, they’re fine (if startling as hell)).
If you’re sincerely asking what to do, just… maybe try to stop thinking of women as a separate category from men, for starters. Just treat them like people. You also very much don’t have to solve this issue on your own, and the only realistic contribution you can make is to accept the current state and try to be the best person you can be while the cultural attitudes change for the better.
I have a certain diagnosis, and self-esteem issues. It’s getting more and more obvious that I’m probably just miss-diagnosed.
I will sometimes exaggerate my own stupidity and say dumb shit, but I’m mostly serious.
Regardless of how I treat women, the fact is that women don’t feel safe around men, and this creates another division amongst people. And I could not in good faith, recommend a woman NOT carry a pepper spray around her, or bring a friend or two.
I’d understand if they also had friends with them around me too, or took an U-turn. Nothing personal I guess.
Don’t forget the part where the meeting was anonymous and without consequences. The men would basically act like they would online.
I do act like I do online, I’m typically grumpy, but will help when asked.
With women, I’m a bit more awkward, but force myself to interact, so I got friends there. Not even trying to go romance or you know, fuck anyone atm.
I feel an almost smug superiority to my co-workers because I’m not afraid to hitch a ride with a woman. They don’t act weird in a woman’s presence, but talk sexualy about that same one all the time.
Their eyes and facial microexpressions give away when they’re thinking creeper thoughts. Unfortunately, must of us learn the looks early in life. Your coworkers can tell you’re safe and the other men aren’t even without overhearing their sexualized speech. Thank you for not being a creep 💜
If you have to thank me for not being a creep, then we have really fallen far, haven’t we?
If you believe people would act the same in person as they do online if there’s no one around to judge them, I have a bridge to sell you.
If it’s brown, lie down. If it’s black, fight back.
To be fair, I don’t think the meme question ever specified what kind of bear they’re going to meet in the woods. I know my answer would change drastically based on the type of bear.
Bear Black Fight Back
Bear Brown Get Down
Bear White Goodnight
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Do you want me to append each one with the word “Bear”?
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K, I made the edit, hows it look now?
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Are there any bears that will be successfully thrown off by a decoy snausage or chihuahua
I’ve never seen a polar bear around when there’s a chihuahua. They know better than to come close.
Can you run faster than a Chihuahua? As the saying goes, you don’t have to be able to outrun a bear, you only have to be able to outrun whoever else is with you. But Chihuahuas are faster than you think.
I’ve seen the questions and wondered “between a man and a hairy man?”
And I will always choose the bear I will always choose the wolves No matter what they do, they wouldn’t blame my clothes I would rather choose to die Let my body decompose Cause even when you’re ash, thеy will never let you go
Tell me you know nothing about bears without telling me you know nothing about bears.
Tell us you haven’t lived in a place with black bears without telling us.
800 lbs of pure “i’m sorry, i didn’t mean it, please don’t hurt me, i’m someone’s little boy”
Man this comment caused quite the replies lol
A couple of them are just some tankies I regularly piss off, though.
I have run into The Bear four times in the woods (well, field I guess?) and black bears are big babies
Having spent a lot of time in the woods:
I’ve ran into bears in the woods and so far nothing violent has happened.
I’ve also ran into men in the woods (like literally almost every time I go out, not rarely like the bears) and most often the entire interaction is “hey,” “howya doin,” and we keep walking down our paths. On a rare occasion, these men have offered weed, or smoked with me some weed I’ve offered them. And so far nothing violent has happened.
Make of that what you will. Seems to me like in both situations you’ll likely be fine and working yourself into an irrationally scared frenzy over men OR bears based on the rare chance something could happen is maybe not the best for you. Tbh, if you’re that worried about it, buy a gun and carry it when you’re in bear- or man- country, and then if one of those rare things does happen, while it isn’t a get out of bear free card, you’ll at least have a chance to fight back.
More black bears have killed people this year than brown.
and they’re both rounding errors.
Theres gonna be another rounding error if you pick the bear, and honestly I’m not really shaming that choice but I do want it to be acknowledged because I feel like a lot of people don’t respect nature or understand animals.
you really don’t understand language. goodbye.
This comment hurt the part of my brain that has hope for humanity.
Bears live along-side people without harming them. This is a fact. You simply need to know how to interact with them if you literally cross their path.
Yes, they can murder people, but they are predictable, and by making noise or playing dead you have a chance to escape harm.
That’s the whole thing. It’s not about some sort of delusional argument of ‘choose the guy or choose to die’. Bears are not death, they are danger.