I think I’m reverting a bit into some misanthropic and nihilistic tendencies, but at this point I feel like I don’t even care about bad things happening to cis people. Everything feels worse for trans people, and I spend a lot of time helping other trans people with problems caused by shitty cis people. I genuinely think 90% of cis breeders hate their trans kids in some way and actively make their lives harder, even the lib ‘accepting’ ones. I’m like 60% of the way to thinking ‘yeah I’m gonna be a terrible slumlord for cis people so I can make trans people live better lives, I’ll house them for free by taking money from the cis by being an exploitative landlord’. I have the possibility of actually doing this. I doubt we’re having a revolution, so like… isn’t this an equalizer? There’s also the fact that trans people basically have no familial support, being a landlord exploiting cis people would mean we are forcing society to actually support those without it. I could see alternative arguments, like maybe if you have access to a lot of housing you could just make cheap housing for trans people and that would foster a whole community rather than having a lot of depressed cis people slaving away for a handful of homeless trans people, idk. You’d probably have to deal with anti-discrimination laws with that scheme, whereas giving housing away for free to trans people can be contractless.
Obviously I’m a communist through and through, but why should I care about others outside the community when many cis people clearly aren’t in the position materially to even begin to think about communism, let alone trans inclusive communism? Talking to them won’t work either when they see you as a freak from the start.
Often during meetings a new comrade will bring up why we run services to help people if we could be helping people who are racist/homophobic, etc. One of my comrades in my group wanted to discuss something just between us so I set time aside for it.
This discussion was essentially; “Why don’t we create a apartheid like state where queers receive decent human rights and straights and cis people aren’t allowed.”(not a quote) Likening it to a commune. There are so many issues with this I could write a book about it. The land that would need to be taken, the heavy surveillance people would have to face to confirm queer status, the argument of who qualifies as queer, is being therian enough, is transitioning mandated, the oppression of an entire demographic of people, most of whom never got the opportunity to be educated within America’s oppressively poor education system, ETC.
But one thing that reflects yours, the previous point, and theirs is that there are people who do need help that will fall out of your arbitrary lines. There are bourgeoisie trans people, and gays and lesbians that exploit others to the same degree. Being part of a minority often gives you a chance to better understand these issues and educate yourself but its not guaranteed. There’s a well known (in revolution groups) transwomen in my area who hates leftists and volunteers to infiltrate and spy on leftist groups for state security.
The sentiment here is falling back into chauvinism and I understand the sentiment (I’m a transwomen), but you will not find an effective solidarity among any particular group but the working class. Oppressing one group does not make things “equal”. You’re coming into power and instead of using that power to deconstruct contradictions of capitalism and fight against it you’re appropriating it for your own use.
That being said, I’m all for just trying to house trans people with your available assets. I am currently living in a situation where i often house trans people who’s leases were up or homeless in my area to help them get on their feet. I do this for free because I can. It doesn’t mean you have to do the same thing, circumstances are different.
I try to see ethics in terms of what real-world harm or good comes from an action, so I definitely get where you’re coming from with this. Would the outcome of this be to cause people more harm than otherwise, or would the overall all outcome improve things for at least some people? And on that note, one thing to be careful about is if this idea would actually work. If it doesn’t work out for whatever reason, would the fallout cause people more harm than if you never went through with it in the first place? What’s the risk of something like that happening?
Sounds like if this saves at least some trans people without making anyone else worse off, it could a positive thing overall, but figuring out how to make it work as intended would be the hard part. Also, I’m sorry the world we live in is so depressing and I hope you’re doing ok.

One more thing, if we’re talking about participating in capitalism to help comrades out, I have a few unhinged chud-targeted “business ideas” I’d love to share with the world.

I don’t blame you. Idk the logistics, and I hate the idea of being a slumlord even assuming you don’t mean it in the negligent/absentee landlord sense. But you’re already doing more than I’m capable of right now, and it’s getting so bad out there. If you have a good chance to make it work, to make anything work that will help stem the tide of trans people ending up on the street or in restrictive/unwelcoming shelters, go for it. And honestly, reading this is making me reconsider some things about what I need/want to be doing.
Appreciate you taking what I’m saying in good faith
I’m so pissed off reading the responses this post got, a lot of people owe you apologies

abusing your power as a landlord to benefit people you like at the expense of others is the best way to build socialism.
The hot new look this year is rainbow capitalism. Knowing no better the oppressed dream to become the oppressors
maybe if cis people were homeowners like us they could do their gender stuff in comfort of their own property.
I was agreeing with your previous statment. In my city you can find plenty of unhoused cis people. You can also find unhoused trans people. You don’t win the oppression Olympics and then get a pass to exploit and mistreat others
oh mb I was doing a bit. We definitely agree!
Honestly how would this plan even work? Like how do you KNOW who you’re renting to is 100% cis? I think with current housing discrimination laws you can’t just straight up ask you potential tenants “are you cis?”
I mean I feel the obvious thing is to mention rent goes to a trans charity on the rental agreement or something. If anyone comments they’re trans do a sneaky reduced rate or make it free.
I’m pretty sure even that would be illegal. Also even if you pull it off I think you’re setting up a bad situation if you’re having trans and cis people housing in the same building but you’re openly having the trans people pay less and providing a better service while also dicking over the cis tenants.
Most people aren’t going to care one way or another what the rental agreement says, they just want to access housing for as cheap as possible.
Could have the company name mention it’s trans e.g Transgender Housing Authority to see if anyone says anything. Frankly I don’t care if something is illegal I care about if it interferes with what I’m doing
Frankly I don’t care if something is illegal I care about if it interferes with what I’m doing
Housing discrimination laws are pretty harsh (for good reason, cuz you know segregation and everything), if any of your tenants found out about this there’s be lawyers cuing up to help them sue you.
There’s a dozen ways around this I feel because of racists, like I could donate it to a charity I also own and say that it’s a trans benefit charity and then have it “pay” me back the reduced rate each month. This is how nearly every church functions, the church is controlled by the pastor who has a tax free house paid for by the church on the same lot as the church.
Honestly if you have the capital to become a slumlord there’s probably safer and easier ethically dubious ways to raise money for trans charities. Do a crypto rug pull or open a liquor store or something.
landlords rarely get touched on these things
Well most of them are cissies.
Good point
I’m not saying it’s the way to socialism, but it is definitely the way to less dead trans people
How does punishing cis people save trans lives again?
Money paying for their food and healthcare and housing
Obviously I’m a communist through and through, but why should I care about others outside the community when many cis people clearly aren’t in the position materially to even begin to think about communism, let alone trans inclusive communism?
Being a communist isn’t some identity you can pick out of a hat after you’ve read enough books, it’s a practice, and the entire mindset here betrays a complete lack of practice. Liberation demands that we find and work hard to build movements that include us and cis people, it’s cishet and queer solidarity that will eventually deliver the goods.
If this is how you feel, you need to organize. If you’re already organizing and this is how you feel where you live, you need to find somewhere new to organize. You don’t fight white capitalism with black capitalism, and you don’t fight cishet capitalism with rainbow capitalism. Organize, you’ll meet the most wonderful people you’ve ever met.
If this is how you feel, you need to organize. If you’re already organizing and this is how you feel where you live, you need to find somewhere new to organize. You don’t fight white capitalism with black capitalism, and you don’t fight cishet capitalism with rainbow capitalism. Organize, you’ll meet the most wonderful people you’ve ever met
I organize every day as a result of housing trans people incl with some people here. The reality is the situation is dire for trans people, “organizing” is hopeless. Moving somewhere else is hilarious to me, you don’t even live in the same world. Trans people are rejected from homeless shelters here they usually die when they get kicked out, this is particularly true for black trans women. This is genuinely the only way I can think of handling the logistics for housing enough to sate the demand caused by cis psychoes torturing their kids. Write your idealistic polemics all you want, the reality is any delay (“organizing”) means more dead trans people. This is all a hypothetical anyways, I need to talk with some trans people I know in finance to come up with some scheme to expand this in a less shit way, I mostly wanted to hear from trans people on the absolute worst case scenario (being the worst person ever on purpose to house trans people in a linear growth sort of way). But I was hoping for more of a Marxian analysis (e.g. I want numbers for why this won’t work) not just people posting tenants of communism 101 theory slop.
Moving somewhere else is hilarious to me
It’s cheaper to move than be a slumlord
I want numbers

Marx was a lib for measuring bundles of linen
book worship and number worship. Numerical arguments are great, but placing such emphasis on finding a numerical argument to a moral question is lib behavior. I think measuring bundles of linen was about studying the minutiae of capital, not to find out whether or not the factory owner is a good person
You need to help build the organs for a revolutionary body to overthrow the system that’s putting our trans siblings into the streets. Just helping people by working to address their immediate concerns is good and noble but it will suck you dry and leave you wondering what the point even was. This isn’t some polemic, it’s something I’ve found through practice.
I can’t give you a Marxist analysis on why you would feel misanthropic except to say that trying to address the effects of capitalism while not addressing the root cause will put you into a nihilistic death spiral. You need to build a revolutionary organization and party with a vision for the future in order to be able to embrace a sense of optimism and hopefulness. I mean this seriously. If you’re not practicing towards an optimistic future on a truly meaningful scale to you, then you won’t be happy or feel dignified; or atleast I don’t.
Idk what to do either here tbh I work in this field too and sometimes I just have to do normal community stuff to drown the depression out. I feel the comments have been far too harsh to marcie it’s depressing. Revolutionary organ stuff is too high level and nonexistent. I’ve just learned to be sadly ok with how awful things are but I’ve helped x people and that’s enough I guess
I don’t think there’s a way to expand on my side generally kinda wild we’ve helped as many as we did.I feel like no one here is really in the trenches when it comes to this and that’s why we’re seeing such a reaction to what she’s saying. I think everyone that’s been homeless or operates a commune of some kind has had to look at the financials and cry about the abject injustice of it all. I get wanting to show up at everyone’s door and extracting a warlord’s tax to solve the issue.
Is there away to create some connection between your neighbours and your commune? Similar initiatives in my area host weekly events, like dinner or music where they ask for donations to sustain themselves. Aside from the money they gain, the connection with the neighbourhood functions as a security layer. It also creates a breeding pot for more political organizing.
I do an lgbt center and frankly it only really exists at the behest of one rich gay that wanted a center closer. So marcie isn’t wrong that you basically need a sugar daddy who likely has no qualms about exploitation. Neighbors here are kinda dicks and bother us about any minuscule infraction
Guy doesn’t really care about my housing projects much he just likes talking with other gays, I basically just control the project and give him charity write off receipts.
The centers in my area are for undocumented and homeless people and they have had to struggle a lot in the beginning with neighbours who did not want a center for homeless and documented people next to their house. The community events had a big impact on the overall opinion of their neighbours and now they have almost no issues with neighbours and get lots of donations.
We had a pretty successful Halloween party but we weren’t able to really translate that into doing good shit for homeless people.
I’ve housed people temporarily in our lgbt center but the cops usually get called on them so it’s not really safe to do that there. I’m pretty sure the neighboring business just is homophobic. And yeah my own place is filled with trans people that can only really get gig work, I’m basically an outlier for working the same job for decades.
It is wholly impossible to be both a slumlord and a communist.
That’s not to say that communists need to be wearing a barrel with suspenders and drink water out of a drain, but being a landlord is a uniquely scummy thing to do. Most of the people who end up in shitty housing do so because they’re desperate and have no other choice, they are most likely going to be queer people kicked out of their homes, the disabled, the neurodivergent, people of color, undocumented migrants, and so on. You’re not going to get a conga line of cis white male chuds to skim off the top of. Society is setup specifically so they’re the least likely to end up there.
This isn’t to scold you, I don’t know what’s in your heart. You’re right that you’re going through a bout of misanthropy, and this way lies ruin. If you’re fine with exploiting the people named above as long as they’re cis then you’re cutting yourself off from solidarity. I would recommend becoming an ancap at that point. Because why pay taxes to provide public services to cis people, or pay union dues to a union that mostly benefits cis people, and so on. And if the conditions are going to be indeed scummy and exploitative as you’d imagine them then if your tenants rent-strike then every leftist will be on the side of the tenants. Because again, by becoming a landlord you cut yourself off from solidarity.
This is the ultimate trick that capitalism plays on you. To convince you that a better world isn’t coming any time soon so in the meantime you might as well become the exploiter rather than the exploited. But capitalism can only perpetuate itself through exploiters, however you might try to rationalise it. I’m not saying you need to forgive cisciety, fuck it, but solidarity is how we build a better world.
Also, you missed your timing, all the housing was bought up by Blackrock. You might want to get a finance degree and defraud people’s savings accounts instead.
edit: also there are communities / communes / compounds that are owned wholly by trans people for the benefit of trans people, what you’re looking for might already exist, and importantly they’re fighting the good fight on top of it all
Also, you missed your timing, all the housing was bought up by Blackrock.
Not to be “that guy” but this really isn’t true. The amount of housing owned by Blackrock is pretty small and concentrated in a few areas with a grossly over valued housing market, same with investment firms in general. Most housing in the US is owned by regular ass landlords, boomers looking to cash out when they retire, and rental companies.
also there are communities / communes / compounds that are owned wholly by trans people for the benefit of trans people, what you’re looking for might already exist, and importantly they’re fighting the good fight on top of it all
It’s me, I do that. But the reality is this is wholly inadequate, you need more money so you can expand to meet the sheer mass of trans people going homeless right now. Donations don’t cut it you need much more to keep it going
You have to do what you think is right. I hope you find a way to make it work. Hexbear, however, is not the best place to ask for tips about how to do landlordism. It’s the website where “kill all landlords” is a pretty common sentiment.
Libs are ok with slum landlords and rainbow capitalism. You aren’t doing anything they’d disagree with.
I am subject to discrimination so I will become a slumlord and exploit poor people
Like you realize the WASP nuclear family is probably the least likely demographic to be renting, right?
Obviously I’m a communist through and through
Obviously not
Like you realize the WASP nuclear family is probably the least likely demographic to be renting, right?
I don’t care about cis people. Maybe some queers are ok, but the vast majority of people stand by and watch trans people suffer. I could see offering ‘nicer’ housing to attract white techbros though
I get that you’re venting frustration, but this is reactionary af. None of us are free until all of us are free. And any liberation movement that refuses to be intersectional is not a liberation movement, it’s a supremacist movement. Like, do you want to make an Israel for trans people? Fuck everyone else, right?
So you’re a communist that doesn’t care about class, race, gender, politics, etc? Just whether or not someone is cis? You should write a book, sounds like a new ideology
90%-ish of all demos have bad and reactionary opinions about other demos, particularly if you live in the imperial core. If taking personal revenge at substantial personal risk is the right approach to this, then you’re basically just saying to be adventurist by going after a given demo. Given the depth to which reactionary thought has been entrenched through false consciousness, you would also surely end up targeting other oppressed people disproportionately if your bar becomes the extent to which a given demo is transphobic, homophobic, islamophobic, etc.
Being overly focused on a person’s basic traits re: gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity, etc, which are all categories with this same dynamic, is actually a false consciousness in yourself as well. The harm caused to trans people is real, and so is transphobia, and so is the preponderant of transphobia among cis people. But you are falling into a trap of false consciousness, in part due to the fact that, as you know, there is no such thing as perfect transdar. You will harm trans people with your guesswork. And you will become essentialist in your thinking.
And if you’re a socialist talking about doing socialist things, your project has to be focused on changing society itself through organizing, not individualistic landlordism. Today is the height of trans liberation in the imperial core. There has been literally no better time to be organizing for trans liberation.
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I genuinely think 90% of cis breeders hate their trans kids in some way and actively make their lives harder, even the lib ‘accepting’ ones.
Some of the shittiest people I’ve run into have been cis lib ‘allies’ with trans kids. Not because they’re actively attacking you, but because they will insist on taking up space in trans spaces and often refuse to back down when you point out why something they’re doing or have said is wrong or harmful.
At the same time I’ve run into cis people who are actually willing to throw down and so I can’t write them all off.
I’m like 60% of the way to thinking ‘yeah I’m gonna be a terrible slumlord for cis people so I can make trans people live better lives, I’ll house them for free by taking money from the cis by being an exploitative landlord’.
lmao critical support
A lot of them also hate their trans kids for other reasons, it’s like a running tally. If you’re neurodivergent, fine. If you’re trans, fine. Both? You’re out.
i’m neurodivergent but feel similarly. let me know if you ever find a way to nip that growing misanthropy.
though you do have the opportunity to house people in vulnerability while paying for that by landlording some libs. that would be pretty based, and a force for good.
there are entire orgs trying to do that, don’t let ideological purity stop you.
I think it helps to imagine everyone as an egg. Or at least has the ability to be an egg.
Or, sometimes I think “What if cis people aren’t lying, and actually like the gender they were assigned at birth?” What if cis people are real? I just don’t “get” being cis. This sort of thinking makes me empathize with cis people who are just generally confused about what we’re talking about.
but why should I care about others outside the community when many cis people clearly aren’t in the position materially to even begin to think about communism
You know how anti-trans laws inevitably end up hurting gender non-conforming cis people as well? Well, if you start discriminating against cis people, you’ll inevitably end up hurting trans people, too. Either because you’re hurting an egg, or maybe you’re hurting someone that’s stealth. Or you might hurt a cis person that a trans person loves or depends on (We live in a society!!!)
using this logic, why should we care about anyone in the imperial core

Pretty good logic, but what can I say trans people are simply more important than cis people to me. Doesn’t matter their country, but the reality is its much easier to deal with things in person than online which is what helping trans people in the global south would entail.
Trans people in the global north have on average much much greater access to healthcare and transition support than in the global south. The struggles are not the same. What I’m trying to tell you is that your logic is shit because you’re just trying to do oppression Olympics.
The reality on the ground here is there are no allies helping people, no vanguard, nothing. We tried to organize, including working with local unions, but nothing worked. If you have any suggestions beyond “do revolution” or “drown out the trans people dying with good thoughts and not trying to expand a commune” I’m all ears.
I don’t know you’re specific reality on the ground. I can’t help you. Do anything you want. But you don’t have to whine about cis people while you do it.
Are all the cis people you plan to exploit going to be able bodied white men?
It’d be awesome if they were but frankly I don’t care, trans people don’t even have a place in a homeless shelter or a church here, cis people can survive through that or family contacts.
you don’t care? exploiting cis disabled poc would be ok with you? what are you even saying? calling yourself a communist

Even if they all were able bodied [cis] white men (a category that also includes a lot of disabled people, of course), they would be poor (renting from a slumlord). I don’t think it’s productive to (I’m not saying you’re doing this, you’re not, I’m just talking generally) look for people that it’s OK to exploit financially, anyone who would end up getting exploited would by definition be underprivileged. This whole line of thinking seems like it’s the opposite of revolutionary. It’s understandable, but it’s reactionary and it will never lead to liberation for anyone.
completely agree comrade

I also think that the example of disabled people is particularly relevant, because elsewhere in this thread OP compares this idea to saving Jews during the Holocaust by any means necessary. We have been and continue to be killing millions of disabled people around the world by allowing preventable disease to spread. This is explicitly being justified by the ruling classes by openly saying their lives have less value and are acceptable sacrifices (it doesn’t just kill disabled people, but disabled people are the ones targeted by this kind of genocidal rhetoric to justify it). This is why this kind of approach doesn’t work, this is the point of intersectionality.
Honestly the segregation between different kind of communities is so bad I get where the poster is coming from. If she’s are already reaching out to other communities for help and nobody is biting, what else can she do. I made a pointless comment earlier last night, but now that I slept over it I feel kind of bad, because like what can she do?
I’m genuinely asking in good faith. I still don’t think it’s useful to make it cis vs trans vs disabled. It should be comrade vs capitalist. Harsh reality however is that many comrades seem to be hellbelt on being divided and this is driving reactionary sentiment, that we have to solve somehow.
If this was happening irl what we should be doing is helping marcie and that’d change her views, but what can we do here? There’s only so much. It’s really frustrating. I think all of us want unity, but when we try to achieve it we keep running into walls. If someone is in a hostile environment that rejects them is it even possible to be a communist? Like materially. idk
I agree with you, actually. I totally see where she’s coming from. But the line of thinking is bad not just from a moral standpoint but also a practical one. This wouldn’t work. It would literally just make the people involved priority targets for bigots while being completely ineffective in anything more than the extremely short term, if even that.
If someone is in a hostile environment that rejects them is it even possible to be a communist? Like materially. idk
Yeah, these are really hard questions. I don’t really have any easy answers, I wish I did. But I do think that the ideas in this post are not an answer at all, especially from a practical standpoint.
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