it’s incredibly squishy language but to be real, this result is actually incredible. 2 decades ago you would NEVER ask this question and get any fewer than 10 people saying “yeah moderate, I love moderation because I’m so thoughtful and measured”
Some number of these people are very vulnerable to being tricked by some fucking Warren or Crockett but they do know what they want
Moderates’ real opinion: “It’s not bad for the homeless to be put into camps.”
Progressives’ real opinion: “It might be bad for the homeless to be put into camps.”
meanwhile, self-proclaimed progressive Gavin Newsom: “I love melting the homeless personally, fuck the camps.”
Leftist: “Fuck that guy! He literally joked about kidnapping the homeless, killing them, and turning them into candles! And doing it himself!”
Liberal: “I grant you that the joke was unseemly. But you left out the context. He was talking about recycling on the CHUDpod. And the important thing is that he can beat Trump. We gotta stop Trump. Nothing else matters. What’s wrong with you? Do you - not so secretly - want Trump?”
he should have his hands cut off for stealing on video.
Bringing “Progressivism” back to its eugenicist, classist and exterminationist roots
I hate to break it to any self-identified “progressives” but Gavin “let’s kill the homeless” Newsom is actually a truer progressive than anyone here
It means the thing from the liberal Elmo bit. “Ideologically speaking, because I’m a good person, I don’t want to call the police on you. But push comes to shove, I will and I have. I already did”
Scottish_comedian_American_soldiers_crying.mp4Ninja edit. As long as the US exists - that bit will be evergreen - https://xcancel.com/incontextmedia/status/1850258345136976231
just because I want to defund the police doesn’t mean I wont call them on you
At least this tells us that they hate moderates
They hate the term and they are probably typical so shit dems will simply start to call themselves something else. “Progressive” might be a bridge too far. Maybe they’ll use some consultant speak crap like “forward-thinking”.
The median American is provably more progressive than the Dems are, so I think there’s some real substance to it even if we both might disagree on the use of the label to some extent as well.
I think the average American is more to the left of the dems. But - I’m not being facetious - I don’t think that actually matters. The dem voter circle of life is that they’ll vote for whoever says the right things who the teevee approves of for saying the right things. Actual reality won’t matter. It never does.
Related? https://hexbear.net/post/7692485
In terms of guessing how a completely normal election goes, I agree, but we shouldn’t discount that basically the entire Democrat platform is “there is no alternative” and “a vote not for us is a vote for Trump” and so on. I think they really do want better things that the Dems opposed, but they have learned helplessness about it, and it’s our job as socialists to seize on the former and beat back the latter, which is a much more favorable position than if the general population was as far to the right as Dems pretend it is, even if it’s still bleak.
What about “third way?”
Clintonian Third Way will save us
i mean at this point, this question boils down to “do you want to tell people you’re a nazi or do you want to tell them you like what they like?”
“Progressive” was the rebranding of the New Deal/Great Society politics in the 90’s and aughts when the image of liberalism was at an all time low.
One person under 30
I’ve been wanting to write something about how we live in a cannibal country that eats it’s young because they can barely hide the contempt they have for the youth. This is another good example here.
Also none of these people have real jobs.
A couple of these are real jobs, but you’re right that it’s weird that it’s all white collar, retired, or unemployed
it’s all white collar, retired, or unemployed
That’s a NYT Guidebook stipulation. They are representative of “real America”.
There are major barriers to running a campaign that blue-collar workers are not going to overcome as easily. It’s almost like this entire political system favors people with capital 🤔
Also none of these people have real jobs.
My girl Kai works in healthcare and her job is real. Plus Loren being unemployed is a lot more relatable.
And if either of them or both are in my neighborhood I’d love to split a case of Schlitz with them.
INCREMENTAL PROGRESS(ives)
a meaningless mush word that is one of the many chicken and egg riddles of american political incoherence. you don’t have to have any real goals or material plans to achieve them, you just have to vaguely gesture at ‘progress’ or harness its ephemeral power like wind in a kite. i’d call it running on vibes but even there you have to be in contact with something solid to feel them. it’s the ideology of answering questions with obama campaign posters.
it’s the ideology of answering questions with obama campaign posters.
Change my ass. I’m still annoyed with myself that before 2008 - I actually believed him and believed in him. But that is life. Sometimes you learn late.
Hey, don’t stress out about it. I was suckered in as well. I think a lot of people were.
Realising that you were wrong is part of growing. I actually consider Obama to be the first crack in my leftist-ism journey. If he hadn’t failed so openly and spectactularly, I’d probably still be a shitlib.
I actually consider Obama to be the first crack in my leftist-ism journey. If he hadn’t failed so openly and spectacularly, I’d probably still be a shitlib.
Ditto.
Liberal!
Cool or cop?
Candy? Cop
Christian? Cop
Denise? With those earrings and haircut might be queer and cool. But decent cop chance.
Dianne? Probably a cop
Jill? Cop
John? Oh you better believe he is a cop
Kai? Cool
Katie? Probably a cop
Loren? Cool
Michael? Cop
Mike? Egg so might eventually be cool
Panth (short for Panther after the nazi tank)? Mega cop
Terrill? Cool
They have done the same thing to “socialist” and “leftist”
