• The goal of the war? Establishing Greater Israel. Netanyahu is really keen on the neighbor’s land. Trump is just there as the muscle, barely know what’s going on and just acts tough to protect his reputation with his flunkies.

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        Permanent distraction from the fact that Trump trafficked and raped dozens of young girls with Jeffrey Epstein. That’s the entire goal.

        Israel forced Trump into this war because they have that proof of him raping children hanging over his head. Israel is just your standard genocidal imperialistic religious fanatical fascist regime that views any Muslims as “animals” or “subhumans” (their own words).

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            Yeah but that was a brown person’s deal and we can’t have that.

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            Maybe the reason he canceled that deal was so that he had an excuse to manufacture pretense later.

            I don’t think he has that much foresight, but maybe the people pulling his strings do…

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              Ya because that’s how deals work… The fact that one took years and thousands of experts from all over the world to broker is testimony to how dumb this notion that Iran doesn’t have the right get something back in negotiations is laughable. Also inserting that they don’t have the right to self determination via self defense is also insulting to everyone involved.

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                It’s insulting not to want a bunch of murdering religious nutjobs to have nukes?

                Maybe they should free their people before I’ll entertain the thought that they have ‘the right’ to such horrible weapons

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                  Also wanted to add the Obama deal prevented them from getting nukes. You know how I know that? I read the fucking reports from the international inspectors. Iran passed every search and were complying with the deal. Trump threw it out and started bombing again. Not Iran. Where are you getting your news?! Seriously. You are either willfully ignorant or a troll.

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                  So, who should have nukes? Just America and their allies? Every country has seen that as soon as they lose nuclear capability they crumble from imperialism, so why would they give up their weapons?

                  Ideally Iran or NK or Russia (or America) wouldn’t have nuclear weapons, but that’s not reality.

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                  Are you taking about Israel?

                  Because the Ayatollah had a fatwa against nukes, which is the sole reason it didn’t have one.

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                  We’re the religious nut jobs dude. (and Isreal) Free their people? Who has more imprisoned citizens? Iran or America? Do you have any idea how Iran’s nut jobs can to power? We are making the same fucking mistakes we did 100 years ago. Also, only one nation has used nukes in violence. Acting as if we have the moral high ground here is alarming.

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          I’m more concerned about the USA’s nuclear weapons at this point. Why can they have them, but Iran can’t?

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          If that were the case, they wouldn’t have killed the Ayatollah, the one man preventing Iran from having a nuclear weapon with his religious Fatwa against nuclear weapons.

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              No.

              Iran is a civilization with political factions and a robust political system.

              The faction that thought nukes would be stabilizing for the region (and time is showing that they were correct) wanted to be able to have nukes very quickly should the Ayatollah change his mind.

              Your understanding of Iran is basically just spoon fed propaganda with no critical thought. Go comment on things you actually know anything about.

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                The Iranian government basically murdered or tortured into submission any other political factions. The only ‘factions’ you see are subsets of the shia extremist faction. Sure, nukes would ‘stabilize’ their rule but its funnysad that you would try to present that as something preferable for those oppressed by it

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          Trump has single-handedly encouraged them to develop this program by destroying the Iran nuclear deal in his first term.

          This is ALL his fucking fault.

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              What? The Obama deal ensured they could enrich past nuclear power plant levels which is about 85% bellow bomb making. And getting to 95% or greater enrichment is extremely difficult.

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                Yeah, they showed you how difficult it really is back in '24

                You’re betting the farm on it they won’t ever be able to technically do what a bunch of pioneers did 80 years ago?

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                  Lol back in '24 you mean when Trump canceled the deal? I don’t think that’s the argument you think it is. And once again. All our actions have proven is they need a nuke for self determination.

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    It’s treason to be Putin’s bitch.

    Shame no one has the power, or the balls to hold the traitor accountable.

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    Im not going to say we’re not winning. We lost. We could not take a single strategic objective and we just called it off. We lost freedom of navigation, american lives, and any perception of military strength. All our soft power and hard power gone all at once. in 60 days. Trump did more for Irans death the America calls than any army could

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      and any perception of military strength.

      As someone who isn’t American, I assure you no one globally thinks the Americans actually have any military strength.

      They’re a paper tiger. They just have a lot of money. Their training sucks, their troops suck, their military strategy sucks… Everything about the US military is arguably terrible except for money.

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        Why do so many non-American countries buy weapons from and train with Americans?

        Are they stupid?

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          I’m ex CAF. Sometimes you need a reminder how well trained you are as a fighting force by training next to someone who is inept as fuck. Training next to Americans really reminded us how well trained we were.

          And again, the American military is just money. Buying weapons and munitions is not the same as America deploying their Temu brand of military soldiers.

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    trump sings “Treasonous!”, Netenyahu sings “Anti-Semitic!”. We need a new playlist (maybe from different pop groups this time, even ‘Menudo’ kicks you out when you become too old).

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      Time to breakout some 20th Century classics.

      Unpatriotic.

      Counter-Revolutionary.

      Anti-Party.

      Dishonourable.

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      The US is not winning anything, anywhere, in any way. Until Trump is gone, and MAGA has been crushed, and it’s followers either imprisoned, or chased back under their slimy rocks, America will continue to be the biggest shithole country on the planet.

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    For Americans, for the rest of us, we can confidently say, you failed to win a war you started for no reason at all, your country has become an utter failure, no one can trust a single thing coming out of your country, from the food, to the media, to the words of the president, absolutely nothing is trusted with the american seal of approval, your tech industry is just an extension of the goverment now, so can’t trust that either.

    I’ll give you one thing tho, you are unifying the world in mockery of your sad pathetic actions.

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      As an American, I totally agree. I am at a loss as to how we got to where we are so quickly, how it can be fixed, or what I should do as an individual. Feels like a slow motion train wreck that was easily predicted and warned about, yet nobody changed anything to avoid it.

      The most frustrating thing is that writing my representatives in government, voting, and protesting all seem completely ineffectual.

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        It cannot be fixed. If you eventually come back and try to repair things, you’ll find we (Europe) have replaced your products (from tech and culture to friendship and security) with much better local alternatives.

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          Good, we deserve it. Whether we take responsibility and attribute the consequences to our actions or not is a big unknown. Hopefully we can fix ourselves internally at some point so we can at least try reconcile with the world.

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        Like, dont get me wrong, we want to like you guys again, you just need to get the exterminator in and exterminate the rat infestation you have going on.

        Unfortunately beyond another assassination attempt, which isn’t the best option, its gonna take your politicians growing a fucking pair and removing him themselves, they have the system to do it and he sure as fuck meets the requirements.

        You all also need to get the fuck out and vote them out next election, dont listen to the bots saying “stay home” go out and vote the Nazis out.

        Here’s how I see it, if you dont vote, you dont get to bitch about the government.

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        I’m gonna shoot straight with you: USians haven’t been protesting nearly enough. Like not even remotely close. You all need to be out there, striking, organising.

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        Please don’t fix it, the world will be better off without you being able to act in charge. You have objectively been a force for evil my entire life and long before.

        Let your global reputation and power forever be damaged.

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          To be clear, I don’t mean “fix it” as in restoring our reputation or power. We need to fix ourselves internally. If you think we have been a force for evil in the past, imagine how much worse it could be if we continue in the direction we are sprinting now. That is why we need to fix ourselves.

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      Republicans continuing their quest ATTEMPT to dilute the impact and meaning of the word treason.

      They can try, but we don’t have to accept their bullshit rationalizations or excuses or lies, like our Democratic leaders have in the past. These psychopaths think they can make something true just by saying it, no matter how outlandish, but the Dems are the ones who make it true by accepting it.

      Stop that. Call them out for their nonsense. When Trump does something like thinking he’s buying another 60 days without Congressional approval for his war, because he “declared” the end of military operations, then Threatened to bomb the shit out of them a few hours later, it’s the Dems who decide if they are going to grant him his wish, and they always do.

      Just Say No. And then start arresting MAGAs who don’t comply.

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      The misses farted on my balls and I shouted, “Treason!”

      She looked me dead in the eye and said, “Just like Trump, you have no idea what treason means.”

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      I would never say that the US is not winning the war in Iran, because I do not want to be deported by ICE, Trump’s S.S., since I have a foreign look. Heil Drumph, heil U.S. of A!

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      Which war? You mean the Epstein War? The one that Trump started to distract from the fact that he trafficked and raped dozens of children?

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    When facts are treason, it’s time to 86 the government.

    And for those who don’t (or pretend not to) understand American English common usage, that means “remove,” not “kill.”

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      When facts are treason

      Keep in mind this orange kid-diddler threatened to pull broadcasting license after his ginormous debate failure against Harris…because he was fact-checked.

      And vance’s biggest rebuttal during his debate with Walz was “I was told there would be no fact-checking”

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      And for those who don’t (or pretend not to) understand American English common usage, that means “remove,” not “kill.”

      There’s no other meaning, he invented it to go after Comey.

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      I wonder if the GOP will start using conditional statements to hide some lies. For example:

      “If we’re winning the war in Iran, then I will personally release all of the Epstein Files myself on the DOJ website by June.”

      “If the 2020 election was rigged in Biden’s favor, then I should have a third term.”

      “If I conquer Canada and squash their resistance without issue, then I will guarantee every unemployed person in the country a $200k/yr job.”

      All true statements according to vacuous truth.

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        I’m sure MAGA is doing this already, but it’s more of a side gig now.

        The main gig: whatever The Don says can be dismissed with “don’t take him so literally”. The goal is to generate engagement, aka ragebait. It might work within the USA, but not globally.

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        The real goal of the Iran war has been achieved. Nobody is talking about Epstein anymore.