She got a whiff of success and immediately disappeared up her own ass
myriads of pontificating psychological pieces instead of: got the bag->this is the best we’ve got evolution, same as it ever was.
The cycle of pontificating for ad revenue. First you pontificate about awful people who got money, then you get the money, then you get other people (who hope to also get the money) pontificating about how you turned into an awful person.
Neither the subject or the analyst are interested in examining the influence of getting the money. It’s not necessarily actively dishonest, but we’re all very good at deceiving ourselves when it’s to our benefit.
Interestingly, her widespread success came after she disappeared up her own ass. It’s the Cancelling video that made her popular among liberal mainstream audiences, she’s trippled her subscriber count since she got “cancelled”. The bad takes came before most of her success.
That’s crazy to me, I was watching her pre transition and stopped paying attention around Envy maybe? Didn’t know she had blown up
I don’t think I can agree with you. It’s more like she was always correct about fascists and how they operate, their rhetoric and stuff. That gave her some veneer of being a leftist, along with the company she kept, but I don’t think that was ever the case. She’s always been terrible regarding leftist theory, or how to talk to liberals, things like that. Her attitude has always been that leftists should attempt to appeal to centrists.
She’s always been a comfortable navel gazing liberal, she just got more petty and miserable, or she figured she could get more attention by being aggressive.
I said whiff of success. I started watching her before her incels video and she started getting noticed by the algorithm around then. The fact that she became much more popular with liberals after disappearing up her own ass isn’t a coincidence, because they already believe her braindead takes unironically.
I find this take weird cuz it there’s people more successful than her who have better takes.
Hell there’s actual Hollywood celebrities and pop stars who have had better stances on the genocide in Gaza. If anything her shit take on that issue cost her fans given the space she operates in.
Hell there’s actual Hollywood celebrities and pop stars who have had better stances on the genocide in Gaza. If anything her shit take on that issue cost her fans given the space she operates in.
It’s because her super old content, as in the videos posted under her pre-Contra Youtube channel that has her deadname as part of the channel name, had videos of her shitting on Muslims as some edgy nu atheist with channer characteristics. To me, this goes beyond her being a milquetoast lib. She fucking hated Muslims as an edgy teen then and she probably still fucking hates Muslims after all these years later. Or at least dislikes them enough that she doesn’t care if a predominately Muslim population gets genocided by non-Muslims. Old Contra would probably have cheered on the IOF for providing the final solution to the Islamic question while present Contra has politically developed enough that she is merely apathetic over the ethnic cleansing of a Muslim population.
I hate having to comment on other trans people
And yet our blogger friend Oliver does. And honestly, i’m not sure if i am comfortable dissecting this here, in a space where the cissies are listening, but i also wanted to write about hexbear’s obsession with ContraPoints for a while because i see over and over again how reliably contra threads blow up in ways that threads about men with comparable or worse takes (say, V*ush or Kurzgesagt) don’t. I am assuming this one will be no exception, so i may as well get one of my trademark nuanced takes out while it’s still fresh.
First of all, Oliver either doesn’t get what the problem with Buck Angel is or he’s in the same boat as him and Contra. His other writings do not give me that impression, but at the very least he seems ignorant and i we want to discuss this issue, we need to fix that. So, to be clear, Buck Angel doesn’t have “a few bad takes”, he has constantly, over years, suckered up to Terfs whil attacking other trans people especially trans women and transfem nonbinary people, he advocates for medical gatekeeping of trans healthcare, for making gender affirming care for trans youth flat-out illegal and he denies the existence of nonbinary people. ContraPoints knows all of this, she had an entire collage of twitter screenshots with a small selection of his takes in her awful Cancelling video, a video that makes chauvinist centrists parade her around like a figurehead for how cancel culture has gone too far to this day. And i am assuming that Oliver knows this, too, Buck Angel isn’t exactly an obscure figure and the way he writes his transphobia off is pretty much a carbon copy of Natalie’s dismissiveness of the criticisms. Except that this guy also complains about the “whiniest, screechiest parts of our community” like some treasonous sellout making anti-trans cringe content for an audience of cissy fascists. He’s generally much better than Contra or Buck at keeping up appaerances, but sometimes the mask does slip. Speaking of which, he also completely ignores that Contra has exhibited some serious hatred for translesbian relationships in the past (namely in her Shame video), but that is hardly surprising given that trans men with a seething hatred of t4t relationships are an entire genre on tumblr. I will note without further comment that he is a man, married to a woman, who calls himself a dyke.
Likewise, he ignores that Contra is just incapable of talking about nonbinary identities without sounding dismissive, ignorant, belittling and, in typical transmedicalist fashion, as if being nonbinary is just a phase that trans people will eventually grow out of. Her defense against being enbiephobic was literally “i used to identify as nonbinary myself back in my questioning phase” and while that sounds harmless and convincing to a wider audience, the “nonbinary phase” is textbook gatekeeper language. I know nonbinary people who got denied medical treatments or name changes due to that exact kind of reasoning.
Also absent is any critique of the extreme transnegativity that permeates the entire body of ContraPoint’s work, the typical dysphoria-centric litany of trans martyrdom that lies at the pathologizing core of transmedicalist ideology. Now, this is the part that i like to discuss the least in front of a not exclusively trans audience because cis people will never be able to reliably distinguish between legitimate distress that will resolve through a combination of gender affirming care and self acceptance on one hand and the othering self-disgust that is the reason for why i’ve never met a transmedicalist trans person who was not utterly miserable. If you are cis and have made it this far, you should take away the following: It’s fine to call it out when trans people advocate for gatekeeping, when they deny nonbinary experiences, when they claim that teenagers should not transition or when they argue that trans women should be banned from certain women-only facilities. You can - and should - push back against all of that. But when it comes to the issue of internalized trans negativity and the emphasis of trans suffering, that’s a discussion you should leave to us because it’s already hard enough to strike a balance here when you’ve experienced such feelings firsthand.
Personally I’m much more likely to engage with and be disappointed with Contra because I was actually a fan of hers, which cannot be said of Vaush. Contrapoints used to hold a special and high place in online left queer spaces that Vaush obviously never held.
hexbear’s obsession with ContraPoints for a while because i see over and over again how reliably contra threads blow up in ways that threads about men with comparable or worse takes (say, V*ush or Kurzgesagt) don’t.
TBF:
1 Vaush is like 1/10 as popular as contra.
2 People get pissed if you post ANYTHING about Vaush.
3 As much as he sucks, his position on Palestine has actually been pretty consistent and good. It’s the one thing he seems to have actual principles on.
Also this is the first post I’ve seen about contra on here in weeks.
There have been a number of posts about her in the last couple of weeks, but that is mostly connected to her machine-gunning out dogshit, western chauvinist, anti-“left” takes over the last couple weeks. Also, I think the reaction ContraPoints is largely amplified due to a non-negligible part of the community having been a fan of hers in the past when she still pretended to be on the left and are thus disappointed. Vaush hasn’t really been relevant ever since he showed his porn folder on stream.
her machine-gunning out dogshit, western chauvinist, anti-“left” takes over the last couple weeks
Yeah, if Kurzgesagt were constantly griping on Twitter about people like Hasan then I think we’d see them posted a lot more. BadEmpanada’s takedown of Kurzgesagt’s climate denialism was hugely popular on this site.
Vaush is like 1/10 as popular as contra.
Contra has 1,9m subscribers on yourtube, V*ush has 500k, so it’s about 1/4. Meanwhile, Kurzgesagt is sitting at 25 million subscribers, so his channel is literally more than 10 times as big as Contra’s.
Also this is the first post I’ve seen about contra on here in weeks.
I’ve found four other threads about her in the last two weeks alone and that’s not including ones where her name in the title is spelled in more Maoist ways than KKKontrapoints.
I wish Vaush’s name was more Maoist Standard English-able.
VauSSh? Doesn’t really work.
AI is really good at this.
Comrades, do not let that Vaushite revisionist vaush the masses again! His Vaushism is the classic right-opportunist line that must be smashed with the iron fist of Mao Zedong Thought! Criticize Vaushism! Repudiate the Vaushite running dogs! Bombard the Vaush headquarters in the Twitch chat!”Down with Vaushism! Long live Marxism-Leninism-Maoism without Vaush deviation! Study Chairman Mao! Smash the Vaush line! The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the comments continues!
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This is gold. I thought AmeriKKKa was great but I’ll remember this one.
Totally forgot about that guy. Gone away like Jordan Peterson and his ilk. Used to see him trending on Old Twitter and get ready for a solid half hour of belly laughs.
Speaking as a newer person. This has been something I’ve side eyed Hexbear a little for this. I’ve seen more stuff calling out Contra then a lot of others in Slop. It really kind of stinks of “marginalized person we are allowed to dunk on”.
I’m not saying its on purpose. But…any time a leftist space spends more time then others when they are marginalized is always suspicious. It happens a lot to.
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Yea cis people telling dysphoric trans people they’re self hating and just shitting on them for it disgust me. I’ve been called misogynistic for feeling dysphoric about my voice. FUCK cis people.
'I’m not sure if i am comfortable dissecting this here, in a space where the cissies are listening…
Fear not, we purge the cis except for real comrades.
To that end, this all highlights for me the difference between being a fellow queer, and being part of the queer community. These “content creators”
all too often aren’t a part of the community. And, their shitty take do better in the algorithm, so we end up having these clowns seen as representatives. Suffice it to say, transitioning in any way doesn’t make someone the expert representative, just as I’m not the queen of Transylvania for Debbie at the supermarket to ask me invasive questions. We need to check these fools.Kurzgesagt
Who?
huge pop “science” youtube slop channel, funded or maybe owned (dont remember which) by the bill gates foundation, makes politics videos that are exactly what ud expect from that, and iirc recently had one saying all fat ppl should be made to take ozempic
They used to not do pop science and grew incredibly fast because of their high budget production.
Those ducks were like the cutest thing and then they started shilling toxic positivity on climate change and effective altruism via techbros.
Is that the Viking looking guy?
I hate Contra but geez this writer
Natalie, you’ve somehow radicalized yourself into being an enlightened centrist
I’m sorry but that’s a great one
You’ve got me there, that is a good line.
But personally I think Contra was always a bit of a centrist, she was always very vocal about the opitics of the left and how they should try harder to be ‘normal’. So I disagree with the writers implication that Natalie is like this because of some psychological failing, no I think Natalie is like this because she’s a wealthy woman who passes easily and could afford to belittle the left for not being as appealing to the masses as her. She has always had that liberal streak of “Hey guys let’s be normal adults here so we can get mainstream approval!”. You know, the same thing Dems do when they finger waggle at the left for being to woke and scaring away their precious centre-right base.
and I think that this author actually agrees with that, from what is written in the post. A lot of time is spent trying to paint a strawman “leftist anime pfp” caricature. Of course people are annoying, but it reminds me of basically of how contra felt about non binary people (silly, not to be taken seriously, and screeching on the internet)
Ah I see. Thanks! This was yet another case of me misunderstanding author intent again.
This was yet another case of me misunderstanding author intent again.
no worries, you’re doing a great job
But you used Buck Angel’s voice. A 10 second clip that overshadowed the entirety of your film. And its bullshit. Because directors cast people who have done far worse constantly in far greater roles, and no one says shit. And I’ll grant that it was bullshit. It was an opportunity for the dumbest, screechiest segments of our community to have a shit fit over a simple mistake. Months of hard work on what was essentially your magnum opus, destroyed by 10 seconds of footage from an old porn star with some bad takes.
From what I recall the response didn’t get harsh until people pointed out Buck sucks and asked her to clarify her position and she doubled down and said she agreed with him. It wasn’t Buck’s shitty opinion that derailed the response to the video, it was her shitty opinion, that she aggressively defended.
I have not done the internet archeology to pinpoint were it really blew up, but yes, she doubled down hard on this. She didn’t say she agreed with him, but she minimized the extend of Buck Angel’s transmedicalism in a way that can only be explained with her knowing what she did.
On top of that, her defense against being called a truscum was literally “truscums believe there’s male and female brains and that this explains transness, i do not believe that, i can’t be truscum”, which is like saying “nazis believe in haplogroups, i have never looked into human genetics, i can’t be a nazi” - the fixation on and dumbed-down misunderstanding of gendered aspects of neurology is an obscure side note of trasmedicalist ideology. Some of them really get off on this, but literally nobody arguing in good faith would whip this out as an example of how to define a truscum. The common definition is “pathologizing, assimilationist view of transness that excludes nonbinary people and demands medical gatekeeping of gender affirming care”.
Yup, that’s what happened, no apologies, just doubling down and acting like the victim
Wow, this person sucks lmao. Nevermind the fact that it took this person SIX MONTHS to recognise what’s happening in Gaza as “wrong” because the “online left” was “screaming” at them.
But you used Buck Angel’s voice. A 10 second clip that overshadowed the entirety of your film. And its bullshit. Because directors cast people who have done far worse constantly in far greater roles, and no one says shit. And I’ll grant that it was bullshit. It was an opportunity for the dumbest, screechiest segments of our community to have a shit fit over a simple mistake. Months of hard work on what was essentially your magnum opus, destroyed by 10 seconds of footage from an old porn star with some bad takes.
Some bad takes? That’s an interesting way of saying transmedicalist scum and someone who advocates against children getting HRT. It’s not a simple mistake, she’s just as online as everyone criticising her. I refuse to believe she had no awareness of his controversy.
So cool for this to be the reason we’re considered the “dumbest section of our community.” I guess it’s pretty stupid to stand up against intolerance. So true, Oliver.
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Lmao yeah that checks out
She always had these takes as a “pessimistic socialist”.
Since when she was a socialist?
Called herself that anyway. But definitely always a lib.
I thought she was “the chud whisperer.” Able to get chuds to listen and become rational socialists.
Oh she is, Contra the Nazi whisperer, whatever people she “deradicalised” just turned into the most annoying people, well done
“What the Heil is Going on with KKKᛟnᛏᚱa₽ᛟinᛏᛋᛋ?”
shes a fascist, stop caring
mfw Contra’s pre-Contra Youtube channel where she shat all over Muslims as an Islamophobic channer has something to do with present Contra not caring about Palestinians being genocided by the Zionist entity
Dont do liberalism kids. Or “content creation”
I don’t love contrapoints. She can go fuck herself.
It was an opportunity for the dumbest, screechiest segments of our community to have a shit fit over a simple mistake.
😐
The only thing I definitely completely agree with here is that she gets way more hate than cis people who are worse and haven even larger audiences. But this seems really revisionist about the extent of her problematic behavior and takes, and the harm that they cause.
Edit: actually, everything that needs to be said on this has been said perfectly imo in this comment by /u/SerialExperimentsGay.
I ain’t reading allat, c/slop is that way
I’m sorry if you’re just now finding out about this but she’s always been like this
