wow… OS Subcription-Based with AI?
you’ll own nothing, and you’ll be happy
I’m glad I already moved to Linux for 2 years
is this a joke?
Subscription-based. AI-focused.
Lol. No thanks.
You’ll be hounded relentlessly to upgrade until you give up and pay the monthly usage fee
Or switch to Linux
It’s so fucking nice, in nearly all aspects
I’ve been off Windows since 2006, when I switched to Apple. I’ve been off Apple since last year, when I switched to Linux (Ubuntu first, then Mint). It really really rules.
I used my wife’s Win11 computer recently for some fairly simple tasks (one was converting a Word document to PDF and emailing it to her). It was a borderline nightmare. Using the search field in the Documents folder sent me to the web, Word froze because “Microsoft365 and Office need to update.” Then I get a notice that there’s a BIOS update and it would only let me dismiss the window for “120 seconds.” Add to that that, graphically, it looks like garbage and the whole thing makes me bewildered that this is what passes for the global “standard” of desktop OSes. I feel sorry for people who have to use it.
I’m amazed companies tolerate this bloat. I’ve worked at a place where I still had built in Xbox shit popping up all over my desktop while the CEO was standing at my desk talking to me. :-D
Going home and logging into a “clean” computer is a breath of fresh air.
Nah, I’m not the target audience. Switched to Linux over a decade ago with no regrets. Windows is essentially malware now.
they are hoping businesses will be forced to buy the AI slop machines.
If you’re a loser.
Yeah, you don’t get to say no thanks. Your boss will still buy Windows 12. The corporate world will still steal your soul. The world of politics will still be corrupt. And Tupac Shakur will still continue to be the CEO of Burger King.
My boss is actually actively pushing macs for new employees and to replace old windows laptops.
Wouldn’t it be great if they didn’t see a price tag as a sign of quality and went with Linux instead? What a great world that’d be…
The It department told me the reason that they don’t support Linux is the lack of good endpoint management software and the support overhead compared to MacOs
Most endpoint management software supports Linux as well as they do Macs these days (probably better, because Apple keeps locking management agents out of settings). These days, the problem is more one of talent and marketing. You have to have people who actually know enough to successfully manage them, and also the upper brass love to be sold to. It’s all getting there though. I wish more governments would take the plunge, that would help the talent issue at least.
They know it exists, they are just very understaffed so don’t have time getting more complex things set up.
At least the devs get to have Linux if they can fix their own problems, but no more new non Mac Hardware…
I honestly doubt that’s true. I’m sure there aren’t any with the same marketing budget, but I’d bet they exist and work just as well.
If it doesn’t exist, it would if companies started moving to Linux.
Lack of endpoint management software
Then fucking make one?? Software development is part of the IT, no?
I’m not sure if you’re being serious, but software engineering and IT systems administration are different roles typically filled by different people.
A company or organization can have a quite sophisticated IT department without having any software engineers on staff.
I don’t care at work because I’m not paying for it or doing anything involving my personal data or any power user stuff. Windows barely matters there. Everything has moved into web apps and websites.
I use 10 for my gaming/media PC.
I’ll use 11 if I have to when using some public computer or something.
But I absolutely, categorically, refuse to even touch a ‘subscription-based, AI-focused’ OS, ever, for any reason.
🤢
Just it being Windows, no matter those things, should be enough for everyone to go “Lol. No thanks.” But sadly that isn’t and won’t be the case. Hundreds of millions of people will just go along with it, even the idea of something else existing will never occur for them and Microsoft knows this. All the hate and outrage about how evil they are and how Windows has gone to (from like Windows 95) absolute shit has only made a very small portion of their possible userbase switch to or even ignited the idea of finding out about something else. I think the only way Microsoft will loose enough “customers” is if it just dies, nothing else will make the average person lift a single finger or have a neuron activate for making the leap.
Excellent. Finally the cycle of alternating good and bad versions of Windows will be broken. It’ll just be bad versions from here on out.
Not only that, but increasingly worse versions, apparently.
I’d argue Vista was way better than people gave it credit for.
Vista was better than people give it credit for simply because we now have 8 and 11 to compare it to. Vista sucked but it wasn’t intentionally hostile towards the user like new versions of Windows are
Vista only really sucked if it was installed on an old PC or one of those cheap “Vista capable” machines that only had 512MB RAM.
Vista was overall “ok” when paired with hardware that could actually run it. Biggest perk was that for a small window of time, it was the only OS that had DX10 support outside of community patches to emulate DX10 in XP & 2K
UAC was implemented in an extremely overbearing way that trained users to ignore any critical system pop-ups.
Aside from that, many of the core systems were unoptimized, and when added on that many hardware partners under spec’d the entry level machines that were being sold with it, the OS performed far worse than it’s predecessors.
For all the people on here quick to mock others for being gullible enough to fall for AI-generated slop, this is embarrassing.
Sounds like a huge sack of shit
🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
Finally, an OS for me! My biggest complaint since the days of Windows 95 has been the lack of being able to add new features. I didn’t really care what they are, but I just like the process of subscribing to additional features until I can max them all out.
And secondly, my next biggest gripe has been how hard it is to find AI. It’s never at my fingertips. Now that it’ll be integrated into the OS itself, I can finally use AI for everything! And if I can buy new hardware annually to allow me to resubscribe to all the latest features, while telling AI my shipping habits, I think it’ll be perfect!
I can’t wait to give Bill Gates money for this! I know he’ll spend it on a good cause. Maybe two young Russian good causes! He’s such a cool guy and not at all a billionaire creepo, thank goodness!
[insert “Had me in the first half” image macro here]
I know he’ll spend it on a good cause.
Antibiotics, for those times when he cares enough to give the gift that keeps on giving
I can’t wait to give my credit card information to my AI agent so it can buy more features for me without me monitoring it!
Imagine waking up to a fully decked out Windows 12 plus pro 365 hell yeah 730 Copilot ?
So when they said “windows 10 will be the last windows”, they were kinda right. Just not the way the imagined…
I don’t wanna sound like someone defending Microsoft, but that line was taken out of context. It was originally something like “last one you’ll buy” meaning they’re giving free upgrades now to future OSes.
…but then again, even under that meaning this is pretty shitty. Most people would rather buy something than have to rent it forever. Especially when the norm is already that they own it. Doubly so when that price is already hidden and baked into the price of the hardware the user is buying. Most folks probably aren’t even aware they’re “paying” for Windows in some form when they buy a laptop.
(Yes yes nobody owns Windows, they own a license to use it blah blah blah.)
It’s sort of funny to me, that original Windows 10 “last OS” thing came from around the time Jetbrains tried to push a subscription model over a purchase model. They ended up going with subscription with a perpetual fall back license which seems to be the best of both. (Once you pay for 12 continuous months, whatever version you had at the start of the 12 months you get a perpetual license for. So if you stop paying the subscription after 15 months, whatever version existed 12 months ago you can use forever.) I can’t really see Microsoft doing that though.
meaning they’re giving free upgrades now to future OSes.
Isn’t this essentially a Freemium model? Free to play, pay for the upgrades and premium features like Windows Defender?
It’s sort of the opposite (prior to Windows 12 supposedly being subscription based). They were claiming you’d pay once and get get all subsequent versions for free. The way they offered upgrades to 10 and 11 for free from previous versions.
Isn’t that the trap? “We’ll give you all the upgrades for free! Upgrade yourself deeper and deeper into the dark forest, farther from the light where you paid once for apps. Now those apps that works under Windows 10 years ago are no longer compatible and you’ll need to pay $1 a month for MS Paint.”
If the OS is free, and then the “modular” aspects are how they nickel-and-dime you into paying $100/mo for the things you used to pay $130 for once.
From the story:
Some features of Windows 11 might also be locked away behind a subscription model that are expected to be “advanced AI services”, but the core OS will be a one-time purchase only.
And if you already paid for Windows 10, then you don’t pay. Easy-peasey. But, with new hardware requirements to run CoPilot, there’s going to be very few machines that could run Windows 10 that would also run Windows 12. So that lie will fall apart anyway.
So if you want to make CoPilot less stupid at everything but spying on you, you pay. Want to use your GPU? Subscribe to “Gamer Bundle!” Want access to CMD? Subscribe to “Developer options!” Want to turn off ads? Subscribe to Ad-free tier! Want to change the desktop background? Subscribe to access a custom fucking JPG on your computer! Want to change the theme? Subscribe to a color scheme! Want to use a printer? Subscribe to “Print Plus!”
You still have to purchase a license for Windows 11 (yeah, I know the options) if you are building a new computer. Even with the “last OS you’ll buy!” it was bullshit.
Which entry-level Linux distribution do you recommend?
Linux Mint, for sure.
Mint, or possibly bazzite if you’re a gamer, because that’s the Linux distro Gamers Nexus picked to test performance on.
Or, valves steam os should have a fleshed out PC version very soon.
I’d recommend CachyOS over SteamOS on non-valve hardware. As much as I love SteamOS on my Deck, it’s highly tailored to the hardware, and has some limitations. But that comes with caveats I’ll cover later.
I also find Bazzite to be too locked in, and complicates how to do things that aren’t managed, for a general gaming desktop. If it’s a media center PC Bazzite can be great, but can easily feel locked in if you want to start adding TV apps or Kodi.
That said, for a beginner friendly Linux distro I’d point most users towards Mint or Pop!_OS depending on their use case. If the user has a high technical knowledge and capability, but lacks Linux experience, I’d point them towards CachyOS, their docs, and the Arch Wiki. Maybe Garuda if they want to additional bundling and update management tooling.
Your points are all true right now, but I imagine that when Valve actually releases the Steam OS distro for PC there will be a large shift to people using the distro and lots of user support and searches will follow; much like how it’s easy to find help when doing anything on steam deck is, just from the size of the user base. A lot of people are going to move to it.
Steam os isn’t that great as a daily driver IMO. It’s really more focused on the gaming part, and tbh, mint + steam autostart in big picture mode is better at its job.
Might just be my preferences.
Like I said, valve hasn’t released the PC version of steam OS, yet. So that makes it kind of hard to criticize. Using it on my steam deck seems like it would be just fine as a simple Linux desktop. It all navigates and works. There’s just nothing flashy about it. Dunno what all you do with your desktop. I just need mine to navigate around and run programs.
Bazzite is great as well! Though I will admit I have had trouble installing it on old hardware. A few ddr3 systems with 2.5" ssds, mostly. It works wonderfully on anything from the past 5 to 10 years though.
And you wouldn’t think there were that many ddr3 systems around anymore. But there are surprisingly quite a few. Intels 4790k is still pretty useful even today, and you can get 16 - 32gb of ram in these old systems. For those who just want to play decent games from 10 - 15 years ago, or lightweight indie titles like stardew valley or factorio, a cheap ddr3 build is perfectly fine. Especially given the prices of modern hardware. For those systems, CachyOS has always worked.
However. Mint installs on just about anything. I’ve even installed it on a Dell Optiplex 780 from 2011! It’s so little fuss to install and use so I always recommend it to new users.
If you’ve got a geeky power user strain in you, try Pop_OS! with their new COSMIC desktop. The blend of traditional window manager and tiling is an absolute delight. But if you’re just trying to stay in your comfort zone as you explore the unfamiliar waters of Linux, I heartily recommend Linux Mint.
I’ve installed Mint on my own gaming desktop, and it’s invariably what I install for customers who can’t afford a PC upgrade to deal with Microslop’s Windows 11 bullshit. They all do fine on it, no one even appreciates the difference from Windows except that they all recognize their old hardware is suddenly much snappier than it was. And as for Pop_OS! COSMIC, I’m running that on the laptop from which I’m typing this comment now. I like them both, but Linux Mint is definitely more battle-tested.
Ubuntu’s GNOME layout isn’t really for me, but if you’re looking for something that’s…I don’t know, a little Mac-ier than Windows-y, then Ubuntu isn’t a bad way to go. I tried Kubuntu (that’s Ubuntu with KDE instead of GNOME) recently and I had a lot of trouble with it for some reason so I just fell back on Linux Mint (which is how it became my desktop computer’s OS).
Don’t over-think it. The joy of live ISOs is that you can put them on USB disks and try various interfaces out. At the end of the day though, it’s like human DNA…99% the same product under the hood, and you can typically change things around after the fact.
Actually, I have a good example of that: I put Linux Mint XFCE on my grandma’s machine because it was especially under-powered. XFCE is just about the lightestweight traditional desktop environment around. I was worried Linux Mint’s typical Cinnamon environment might be a little heavier and therefore leaving some performance on the table. Well, I spent hours trying to troubleshoot why I couldn’t use RustDesk to remotely connect to her computer for support, and it finally occurred to me that XFCE might be the problem. I didn’t have to reinstall the entire OS! I just installed the Cinnamon package (one single line of a command in the terminal), then I logged out, chose Cinnamon on the login screen, logged back in under this different desktop environment, and was able to use RustDesk successfully! No fuss, no muss. I’m not going to say you won’t have occasional headaches with Linux but you tell me what comparable options I have when Windows 11’s heavy fucker of an interface with a taskbar I can’t move around the screen is ruining my day, or macOS replaces a tried and true GUI aesthetic with a batshit broken liquid glass one? I certainly can’t swap in the older GUIs I liked, but in Linux, it’s totally an option, like changing the exhaust on a car or whatever.
Have fun :)
Fedora
You can give it a test drive, given peoples suggestions. The most common desktop environment are Gnome and KDE, and I think they tend to have the least issues with stability, screen tearing, scaling, and fps, since they’re the most actively developed.
Nobody is asking you what hardware you’re running or your use case…
If your computer is a couple years old and you’re doing general web browsing, then I would recommend Kubuntu 24.04, latest version of Linux Mint, or Debian.
If your computer is newer, as in a year old or so, I would recommend Kubuntu 25.10, latest version of Fedora(KDE/Plasma spin), or possibly CachyOS(Arch based).
If you’re a gamer, then same as above, Kubuntu 25.10, Fedora, or CachyOS, but I would highly recommend CachyOS in this instance.
The main things to consider for Linux is the version of the Kernel you may need and what Desktop Environment(Gnome, Plasma, Cinnamon, etc) you prefer.
The Linux Kernel is where most drivers will come from and are baked in. You can install proprietary drivers, but that process can vary depending on the distro.
The Desktop Environment is what you’ll be interacting with on a daily basis. Personally I prefer and highly recommend Plasma. It has great Wayland support(newer way to render and manage programs graphically) and customization is there if you need it. You CAN install multiple Desktop Environments at the same time and you’re not stuck with whatever is the default. But again, I’d recommend Plasma.
Now, why CachyOS? Simply because it has a lot of quality of life aspects available. It’s not a “gaming” distro, but it can be right out of the box. It’s built for speed, but also convenience in my opinion. Cachy can automatically detect and install the latest Nvidia drivers during the initial install. The “gaming” packages are a single click in their “CachyOS Hello” window on startup. And if you choose GRUB or Limine for your bootloader and BTRFS for your filesystem, you’ll have snapshots for recovery automatically setup for you(which saved my butt twice now).
Definitely try out a few distros. Personally I started with Mint and loved it, but I ran into driver issues eventually due to how they do kernel releases. Then tried Ubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro, Endeavor, Debian…all of these never “kept” me because of something breaking or lack of timely driver updates. But I’m on CachyOS now and within a month of trying it I ended up switching all of my Windows machines to it, which I’ve never done before. I’ve never gone “full Linux” before, but Cachy pulled me right in. I’ve thrown it on multiple laptops, a NUC, and a desktop gaming PC and it’s “just worked” on all of them.
I just started using Linux, but Bazzite has been treating me well. If you are primarily using your PC for gaming, that might be the way to go.
They also recently got their team reinforced, so I am hoping that carries them much farther in the future. https://www.xda-developers.com/bazzite-reveals-the-open-gaming-collective-to-make-gaming-on-linux-even-better/
- If you want something that never changes, Mint.
- if your main use is gaming: Bazzite
- For any other use case, Bluefin or Aurora (Bluefin for rounded corners, Aurora otherwise).
ZorinOS seems like a decent choice.
Don’t overthink it. Try something out, worst case you can just swap it if you don’t like it. All the “beginner” distributions are perfectly good and almost interchangeable.
Mint and some Ubuntu flavor such as Kubuntu. These two have the biggest userbase and thus problemsolving via internet search aswell as lots of deb packets come in handy.
Also they are out of the box experience straight from the start and everything just works.
Mint.
If you don’t need lots of up-to-date gaming support, Mint. The newest games and hardware are more likely to have issues than older. If you’re looking for something approachable and built specifically for gaming, Bazzite. If Bazzite is a bit too strong on the gamer feel and you want something a bit more toned down, I personally use EndeavourOS.
As others have already recommended, Linux Mint. Although I had trouble getting my two monitor set up to work, I couldn’t set the Scale for each monitor individually). Or Bazzite, which worked right out of the box for me
When I started 3 years ago I was distrohopping almost every week… For gaming on Nvidia+Intel combo - arch Linux distros with kde is where I found peace… Started with endeavouros and now I use cachyos with kde plasma. Both are quite good. I have installed limine+ Snapper and this does system snapshot on each update. Never needed it though and every time I am updating irresponsibly. Gl, install any Linux.
I am entry level and mint is so far being nice with me, just that my pc is old so it kinda lags
For the distribution (distro), Ubuntu. There’s a chance that you experienced this distro growing up at your school or local library.
For the desktop environment (DE), GNOME is most like Apple OSes, while Cinnamon and KDE Plasma are most like Windows 10.
Cinnamon tends to go better with the Mint distro though, and GNOME is the default DE for Ubuntu. I use KDE Plasma with Ubuntu (Kubuntu) personally and I’ve enjoyed it.
Ubuntu based for sure like Linux Mint, ZorinOS or PopOS
but I wouldn’t recomnend Ubuntu for their Snap
Something modern and immutable (so its harder to break) like KDE-Linux. Otherwise, something like Bazzite which is good for gaming. If you want low resource and flatpak (its the future) built in, ZorinOS.
PopOS
No!
PopOS switched to Cosmic which only just came out.
Recommend PopOS to users with experience, who know how to fix/avoid problems.
But, hold off from recommending PopOS for beginners until around the 27.10 release when most of the papercuts are sanded over.
“Fully modular” as 'It can run on a toaster" or as “For access to the file manager, subscribe to premium”?
Windows 12? Well, I’m using Debian 13. 13 is a bigger number than 12; therefore, Debian is better than Windows.
laughs in fedora 43
Puny mortals, observe the power of a real GOD
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/windows/images/f/fd/Windows_Server_2008_R2_desktop.png
looks at my Gentwo
Yeah but gen 2 was peak Pokemon
You compiled the version number as a string?
Hard truth 👍
Not doing a subscription based OS.
Just throwing that out there.
Absofuckinglutely not.
And I say this as a dedicated Windows user who spent a year on Ubuntu Linux a decade ago and hated it. Windows does this, and sign me up for penguin lessons.
Why is this sub spreading AI slop?
The entire article is based on rumors, clickbait and hallucinations.
Hey people are already leaving the OS for Linux, theres no need to advertise for Linux even more.
