I prefer the look on the right… I don’t really need women to look like a Star Trek character
99% of the time women look prettier without heavy makeup. That’s just my opinion that nobody asked for though 🤷♀️
Idk I’m on the fence
Yeah, I was on board until he ruled out Marina Sirtis. Tsk tsk.
Exactly. Denice or Gates? Even Barbara and Gwyneth, with our without the makeup, if I were quite a bit older.
Who the fuck downvoted me I’ll fight you these women are all beautiful.
Studio makeup is on a whole different level. If you saw an actor in stage makeup you would swear they are wearing a mask. It’s designed to look good under harsh lighting. Btw Kate Mulgrew has a face full of freckles.
I’ve worked conventions some of these ladies have shown up to.
Yes and they famously go to conventions without putting on any makeup whatsoever.
lol, yeah, but it’s a matter of taste.
btw how lucky is jeremy who has obviously never been assaulted and locks himself in his basement every halloween
Jeremy also likely isn’t a real person
Neither is the woman depicted.
But if she’s willing to wear a Starfleet uniform…
Right? (meaning yes)
Oh no! Shes beautiful naturally and yassed up!? The fucking horror! My steak, my steak is far too juicy. Oh this lobster! Waiter! Far too much butter!
Lobster is trash food. Full stop.
That’s one of the craziest takes I have ever heard ngl. You should take that to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
Back in the day (17th, 18th century) there were so abundant they just washed up on shore and were used as cheap food for the poor, servants and prisoners. Things changed when lobsters were transported inland with trains.
they used to feed it to prisoners
You can make slop out of Kobe beef and truffles, doesn’t mean it’s trash.
Yeah, someone’s never worked in a kitchen… 🙄
It used to be considered such a ‘trash food’ fit only for the pathetically poor that there were actually servant employment contracts that limited the amount of lobster the Master of the House was allowed to feed his staff.
Now, that’s largely independent of the taste, mind you. It was more that the Victorians considered any bottom-feeder seafood to be nigh unfit for eating.
Know what else tastes like butter & lemon when it’s drenched in it?
Yeah. Pretty much everything. 🤢
It’s not a take. It’s literally history. ☝🏼
No u
As a victim of rape, I cannot put into words how insulting this is
Same😡
This argument is stupid either way of course… But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.
Agreed in a 100 % non-objectifying way (as you are as well). Velma can go kick rocks.
But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.
“Don’t worry, ladies! This incel finds you ugly, but I find you attractive!”
I’m just expressing my opinion, but okay, sure.
You’re expressing your opinion just like Jeremy is in the post.
For a complete stranger, you seem to think you’ve got me all figured out. While we’re throwing accusations around, you come across as really defensive and needlessly confrontational.
I’m responding to you doing the exact same thing as the man in the post.
Am I though?
Velma will post “Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” and “I’m lying in bed thinking about women” in the same thread. You’re not the problem right now.
Edit: Sorry, it was “Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.”
You are. Jeremy is objectifying this woman and so are you. It’s not about what is more attractive to men.
Not really, since the entire point is that “Jeremy” calls it SA
Did you just compare recognition of beauty to fucking rape? Do you have any clue how unhinged you sound?
Did Jeremy rape that woman? No? Then I didn’t compare it to rape.
People like you do more harm than good for the cause you’re fighting for. You are a living caricature of what actual incels use to justify their rotten worldview.
She imitates the TV show with the same name.
Just commenting because I recently told her about the same - this was not a single blunder, this is how she is.
But once you recognize the username, you also realize there’s the wisdom/balance missing that people usually get when becoming adults. She might be 80 for all I know, but I haven’t seen a single comment that wouldn’t fit for a teenager.
If one person on the internet being a feminist killjoy is enough for you to disavow feminism, you were never supportive of it to begin with.
Lol, I’m not disavowing feminism. Your comments won’t change the mind of anyone who already had an egalitarian mindset - but in aggregate lots of comments like yours push away people on the fence, and entrench those who are already in a bad place.
If a woman made an equivalent comment about the before and after shots of a guy getting in shape or something it would rightfully not draw any ire. Jumping down the throat of every guy who expresses their preferences about women is not going to win us any allies.
Who said anything about changing anyone’s minds? She’s merely pointing out that blunderworld’s comment is still objectifying women. The up/downvote ratio says a lot about the Lemmy crowd that they should be ashamed of.
If a woman had made an identical comment about a dude posting with/without makeup photos it wouldn’t have drawn any ire.
It wasn’t objectification. He never insinuated that her looks were all that mattered, or that she wasn’t a unique snowflake of a person - he simply mentioned his own preference about makeup.
he simply mentioned his own preference about makeup.
He mentioned his own preference about the woman pictured in the meme.
If a woman had made an identical comment about a dude posting with/without makeup photos it wouldn’t have drawn any ire.
It should draw ire.
I don’t have an inherent responsibility to be the nicest, most kind woman ever in order to get people to understand and support feminism and women’s rights. I’m a person on the internet with strong opinions. That’s it.
If you want to believe that a single feminist killjoy on the internet is solely responsible for winning allies in the fight for women’s rights, that’s on you. I’m just pissed off at the audacity of people commenting on women as if they’re objects to be dolled up (or not) to look nice for men.
Believe it or not, women are allowed to be angry. And I don’t care what y’all think.
No, you don’t have any responsibility per se, but you should know your comments come off more misandrist than feminist, and actively harm the cause. You are the embodiment of the shrieking feminazi strawman that incels joke about - and I’m not convinced you aren’t a larping incel trying to push their conspiracy that feminism = man-hating.
If you took one look at my post history, you’d know I’m not a larping incel. I don’t push that feminism = man hating.
I’m allowed my opinions same as any other anonymous person on the internet. Again, if my comments are enough to put someone off of feminism, they were never supportive of women’s rights to begin with.
I’m so glad these losers use “female”. I don’t have to waste time taking them seriously.
Which makes the impact of the whole “sexual assault” tirade slightly less impacting, right. Still insulting.
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How is it not specific enough and what is this current environment?
Every time I hear someone refer to a woman as a female that person is invariably some kind of incel loser.
I know everyone’s sick of me saying it but that dude is probably a low-key transphobe.
Most incels are. They hate women and trans women are women.
Bingo. Transphobia allows them to exert misogyny on an “acceptable” target while also policing femininity in a broader sense.
I highkenuinely support your endeavors to point righteous fingers
Could be. Answering the clarifying questions I asked might clear that up.
“woman” is the term you are looking for. Doesn’t have to be any more specific than that unless you’re a fucking doctor
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They’re not of the correctly gendering crowd, ergo their use of “female” is inherently derogatory. That’s the point. It’s not the word, per se, but the sub-cultural use of it.
The fuck are you talking about?
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I am crazy or is she not way more attractive without the makeup?
i mean the makeup sucks, frankly. I don’t understand why it has become normal to dip your head in a bucket of concealer…
Feels like the equivalent of guys who think more muscle == more betterer until they just look like balloon animals.It’s not to look attractive, it is so you can have fun looking the way you want. That goes for both situations. A side consequence is if you focus on looking how you want, you will attract people who like you the way you look when you feel your best.
Part of it is she’s authentically smiling and joyful without the makeup instead of doing that forced neutral “Paris Hilton” kind of look with the make-up.
Turns out when people are happy and in a good mood they’re more attractive. Who knew?
It’s almost liberating to realize that beauty is not the same as attractiveness.
Someone can look below average, but have a shining, friendly personality that makes them attractive as hell!
No matter the gender, either- I’m not a particularly handsome man, but I can tell you that sparking joy works.
My husband just said, “If you think the one on the right is not an attractive woman, maybe you’re gay. Like, you should just be looking for dudes.”
Maybe she’s not your exact type, but surely we can all agree that she very much fits the bill for what a large majority of people would traditionally consider pretty.
I am personally not a fan of the highly-made-up trend, so I do think that she’s more attractive without the makeup. But I also understand why people like wearing makeup, and it’s her right to do it or not depending on her mood. I think anyone who can’t tell that she’s wearing makeup in the photo on the left is (a) lying or (b) a child.
Attractiveness is subjective.
This is true. Attractiveeness is also mathematical. Symmetry and having average facial structures also play a role too.
Not crazy… She is way more attractive w/o the makeup.
Women usually are.
Came here to say this. Upvote wasn’t enough.
You do realise you’re not winning ‘good man’ points by saying stuff like this, right? You’re literally just adding to the misogyny here by further objectifying women.
Very few people in this thread are capable of understanding that offering judgment on this woman’s appearance is still objectifying her.
I am getting so tired of the internet lately. I appreciate seeing you around but idk how you still have the will to talk to any of these people, the toxicity of these men is starting to feel like I’m stewing in poison.
Speaking up when I see casual sexism like this helps heal the years of my life when I was taught to be quiet and allow “boys to be boys”.
It’s really understandable how people get sick of seeing this type of toxicity. I hope your day has more good, funny, quirky, weird, and fun things pop up instead of gestures at this thread
Left looks like generic vapid bimbo, like what you would get if you typed ‘vapid bimbo’ in gen AI.
Right looks like a person.
The makeup makes her ugly.
calling the woman a female is a telltale sign its an incel.
Maybe it’s cultural, but “woman” can sound “old” to some people, and “girl” can sound “young”.
Some guys think its respectful to sidestep the whole issue and use an age neutral term, unaware of how it sounds.
From my personal experience, those who aims to be respectful just say woman.
from my personal experience
Yes, exactly.
I’m telling you as a matter of fact that I know people who felt awkward saying “woman” because of the age factor.
These guys aren’t incels by any means, they’re just awkward and naive.
For what it’s worth I did tell them that “female” is not a good look, and they should use “women” instead.
The point is not every guy who says “female” is an incel.
That post is like some precision engineered engagement bait. There are multiple axes of conflict that ensnare people in the mood to argue or share their opinions.
Right? And it cares not whether right or left! Pefect, truly!
How can this be anything other than rage bait when the woman on the right is so pretty and the language is so gross and offensive?
Sadly, people do believe this. These are the same assholes that go off on women for wearing bras and then expecting all tits to be naturally porn-star perky.
Their real goal, under the ragebait, is to create and then normalize an ‘ideal woman’ template that’s nigh-unattainable and then punish every woman who doesn’t fit the mold. A demand, if you will, that every woman perform and dress up just for their eyes, with a side effect of disenfranchising and controlling women as the cherry on top.
This is a really interesting response.
Then add in the fact that if whoever wrote this saw any woman out in public without makeup he would then complain about that.
These people have nothing except their persecution complex.
She looks way better without makeup
She looks good when she feels good, actually
She does look happier without it
Not really, she just isn’t posing in the second picture. You can see her dimple is still impressed and her eyes slightly closed like she’s trying to suppress a smile.
She’s clearly joyful in both images
I’m having trouble telling it on account of the makeup but I think she should probably decide which herself.
Who says wearing makup doesn’t make her feel good?
I’m just riffing on the big ol’ smile she has on the right. Just to be clear, I think anyone should wear what feels right to them, though I do feel a little wary of societal pressure when it comes to makeup
Fair, fair. Makeup is really just paint colors that are skin safe at the end of the day.
actually theyre often not skin safe
That’s not something we can confirm as objective observers, though. We are not omniscient.
she’s wearing makeup on the right
Minimally, perhaps.
for sure foundation, her skin tone is super even
possibly eye liner and lip liner based on color
the image quality is meh so it is also possibly just compression artifacts
She’s making different expressions, which is a big confounding factor.
Let me guess, you’re one of those guys who runs around telling women to “smile more”.
Not that I could be bothered but apart from the advice being unsolicited, what’s wrong with it?
Who gives a fuck?
Butthurt men, apparently.
Noooboddyyy asked youuu ✨️
Is this what you say whenever someone voices their opinion?
You must be fun at the parties you aren’t invited to.
It’s what should be said when men offer their unwanted opinions about a woman’s looks.
And what about when women offer unwanted opinions about a man’s looks?
The same thing. That’s not happening in this thread though.
What’s wrong with offering an unsolicited positive opinion about someone’s looks?
It’s still objectification.
Y’all are sitting around and talking about how she should present herself to be the most attractive to you.
Fucking dumbasses. And she’s beautiful in both pics. But holy hell you have to be stupid to not know that the first one is wearing makeup. What next, someone shocked my lips aren’t naturally dark red or black?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen commentary like this offered up by a guy who actually stood even the slightest chance of actually having sex with whatever woman he’s complaining about.
Jeremy looks like the sort of guy who thinks the waitress is coming on to him because she smiled and called him “hon.”
Is she not wearing makeup on both photos? The left is obvious because no one has a face like that, but on the right, that skin tone looks way too uniform to be anyone’s natural skin.
Men can’t tell the difference between actual no-makeup and a no-makeup-look. Ask my husband. We’ve been working on his ability to tell the difference. 😂
I can spot even a little concealer or foundation in person but phone cameras apply so many filters I would never make a guess based off a selfie. That could be makeup, could be portrait mode.
Could just be a phone’s camera deciding people should have perfect skin
This image is compressed to hell. It’s impossible to tell. We have very little detail to go off of. It’s, at minimum, little makeup. It could be zero makeup, and it could also be edited. There’s really just not enough to go off of
Damn I hate it when I get seduced by women wearing makeup, it’s the worst thing ever, I hope it doesn’t happen this weekend.
Why else, throughout history, have women been blamed just for being attractive?
“No, I raped you! It’s your fault for being sexy!”
I’d be disappointed if I was expecting the woman on the right and the one on the left showed up, but not enough to call it sexual assault, that’s wild
